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[Football] England v Brazil
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Yep. And sometimes even in midfield. But also at right back, left back, right wing back, right wing, centre back, left wing and no 10.
Potter also had Gross.
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Tony Bloom’s Star Lizard will know as will PB and our scouting team.
Potter played a largely defensive (EDIT FOR CLARITY) system as opposed to the largely ‘attacking based system’ that RDZ uses). Potter‘s had a ‘low attacking game’ (EDIT FOR CLARITY) ie - as in ‘did not press as high’ as RDZ and under GP, the FBs played deeper) and yes, built very successfully on what Hughton had done for us - we wouldn’t have qualified for Europe by keeping goals out, we needed to score them too and when De Zerbi ball works well, it’s brilliant but it needed a bit more this season than a team scrapped together from the walking wounded, U20s and over 30’s to take us any further either in Europe or cup competitions- hopefully the remaining EPL will be better - with Pedro back in the next few weeks we will start scoring again. Defensively I thought we were good against Roma at home. There is no way I would want to back to ‘safe’ Potter - I need the adrenaline of De Zerbi ball for one thing! I also like the idea of another Italian manager after RDZ eventually moves on too - or maybe even one from Argentina eh?!
Edited because post not clear.
The two manager’s styles were not radically different but who will really dare argue that RDZ’s style of playing out from the back and playing a very high defensive line when pressing high, is no more risky than Potter’s style of play?
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herecomesaregular
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Never been a fan of Gallagher. And for England he reminds me of Carlton Palmer, maybe not as a player just that he should never be anywhere near an England squad...
To be fair, Potter wasn’t a ‘safe’ or non-attacking manager. Our xG numbers were frequently outrageous but not matched by actual goals as he had the combined firepower of Neal Maupay, Aaron Connolly and Ali J responsible for converting.
Absolutely this
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Perhaps I should have said ‘Safer Potter’ and certainly didn’t suggest we didn’t attack under Potter we were just less attacking as a team.
I meant ‘safe’ compared to RDZ’s system of involving the GK in playing fluidy, risky possession based football out from at the back and inviting opponents to press high in dangerous areas. Potter liked to play 3 at the back and the FBs for width then counter-press through the middle. Cf to ‘safer Potter’ - RDZ often invites the press right up to our defensive lines and in attack, also presses opponents much higher using a higher defensive line than Potter opening us up to counter-attacks - I compared heat maps of the two managers last summer and they showed a greater percentage of the game was played in our own half under Potter than under RDZ. RDZ plays our FB’s in a much more attacking type role. So, yes, we are a ‘more’ attacking team under RDZ. . Obviously this opens us up at the back and comes with a higher risk of conceding goals but also comes with us often box bombing the opponents and creating chances from a wider distribution of players, including from Solly and Mitoma who have been pushed further towards the goal in RDZ’s system.. (We have had problems not being clinical enough in our finishing this season, so the increased risk of conceding goals under RDZ is not looking so good on our GD but I expect that to improve if Ferguson can get back on form, Mitoma and March next season and Pedro back much sooner).
No I don’t want to go back to ‘safer’ Potter and less aggressively attacking Potter - I love the way we play now (on a good day!)
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Once again called out on talking rubbish and respond with war and peace defending what you said!Perhaps I should have said ‘Safer Potter’ and certainly didn’t suggest we didn’t attack under Potter we were just less attacking as a team.
I meant ‘safe’ compared to RDZ’s system of involving the GK in playing fluidy, risky possession based football out from at the back and inviting opponents to press high in dangerous areas. Potter liked to play 3 at the back and the FBs for width then counter-press through the middle. Cf to ‘safer Potter’ - RDZ often invites the press right up to our defensive lines and in attack, also presses opponents much higher using a higher defensive line than Potter opening us up to counter-attacks - I compared heat maps of the two managers last summer and they showed a greater percentage of the game was played in our own half under Potter than under RDZ. RDZ plays our FB’s in a much more attacking type role. So, yes, we are a ‘more’ attacking team under RDZ. . Obviously this opens us up at the back and comes with a higher risk of conceding goals but also comes with us often box bombing the opponents and creating chances from a wider distribution of players, including from Solly and Mitoma who have been pushed further towards the goal in RDZ’s system.. (We have had problems not being clinical enough in our finishing this season, so the increased risk of conceding goals under RDZ is not looking so good on our GD but I expect that to improve if Ferguson can get back on form, Mitoma and March next season and Pedro back much sooner).
No I don’t want to go back to ‘safer’ Potter and less aggressively attacking Potter - I love the way we play now (on a good day!)
You said he was “largely defensive” and “low attacking” which is a complete rewrite of history. He tried to win every game (as RDZ does) and we created loads of good chances. Exciting football just very frustrating results. Problem for large parts was finishing but that came good in the end.
Very interested to see XG stats for Potter vs RDZ. Anyone got them?
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I elaborated on what I meant by ‘safe’ it was specifically in comparison to the type of football we have been playing under RDZ - I amended it to ‘safer’ and stand by that. As for ‘low attacking’ in the context I wrote, that means comparing RDZ attacking the opponents higher in their own half with a high pressing game and defensive line much higher cf to Potter - not “low” as in numerically.
Reign it in with the aggressive behaviour please - it is not necessary nor was your behaviour towards me the other day - I don’t deserve that from you.
As someone said above - it is all opinions.
(Have edited my post above to clarify meaning, if it is still not clear)
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Seagull58
In the Algarve
Gilmour was not on his own in midfield.
Not Andy Naylor
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Looking at the Dunk 'error' again, the ball was spinning horribly out of a challenge on the touchline, it fell to him with an opponent coming at him and at an impossible height to volley away. There wasn't really very much else he could do. If anything. he was the victim of his own good intentions in trying to anticipate where the ball was going to drop. If he had stayed where he was, he could have cleared it easily.
Apologies if you find me aggressive, I just get frustrated with your many and regular opinions which can contain glaring errors e.g. Adingra is not and has never been a striker! (Earlier in this thread)
However I can tell you actually mean well and care a lot about the club and obviously have serious health issues - I’ll try not to bite again!
I know. But whenever he was partnered with Dahoud he might as well have been. De Zerbi has constantly had the choice of Gross, Gilmour, Dahoud and Beleba. Potter’s good run coincided with him having three world class CMs, the versatile Gross and a quickly developing Mwepu.
RDZ also had to play wingbacks and 3 CBs as he had no fit wingers, a formation that isolated midfield to the point that Gilmour was on his own. He persisted with it too long but he wouldn’t have needed to with Potter’s squad at the end.
Potter
Bissouma and MacAllister were transformed under him
Good comeback.
I now disagree with you and the club!
Weststander
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Asking again.
Why did virtually no nsc’er claim that Potter was the superior or equal of RDZ between 29 Oct 2022 and Dec 2023?
Potter hasn’t improved in that time, his career crashed and he’s a very rich man unemployed.
Why did virtually no nsc’er claim that Potter was the superior or equal of RDZ between 29 Oct 2022 and Dec 2023?
Potter hasn’t improved in that time, his career crashed and he’s a very rich man unemployed.
I don’t believe Potter is superior or equal to RDZ.
I do believe he was/is an excellent manager and transformed us during his time.
He doesn’t get anywhere near the amount of credit he deserves from some people on here.
While he transformed them we finished in the bottom 7 with 40 something points and couldn’t win at home.
While RDZ is developing Baleba we’re in the top ten and last 16 of the Europa league.
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Weststander
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Definitely got the ball rolling … we climbed the PL, he developed raw talent into gems, at last we played good football.
But when he was laughed at for months on end during his Chavs stint, other than @Swans’ I can’t remember many defending him.
Then in recent weeks, strange timing imho, he’s getting rave reviews here, many hoping TB hires him again. It can’t be a coincidence that quite a few people are slagging off RDZ for daring to mention the squad strengthening he sought and didn’t get it. Having to fight on two competition fronts, with a first team clearly inferior to that of April 2022 to May 2023 and a stack of key injuries. These posters I would imagine are preparing to overtly blame RDZ for a whole load of stuff when he moves on.
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Why are you going back to that season? You were talking about the world class midfield at his disposal when he/we went on a great run and finished 9th.
We wouldn’t be in the top ten and last 16 of Europa etc without Potter’s work before RDZ.
RDZ couldn’t believe his luck to inherit what Potter built.