Perhaps because the fielding was completely shit compared to how it is now. Think about it.
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Bradman was a genius. Possibly the greatest of all time. So it's disingenuous to quote him imo. Of course him, or Tendulka would have scored runs in any era.
The massive difference is that teams nowadays, great teams, can't carry passengers in the field, or even as batsmen down the order. Look at the way that the role of the keeper has changed.
It's a totally different game.
No, it's not down to limited over games, it's down to you picking out some of our greatest ever players (not all from the same team, but spread across decades), and expecting our whole team to perform as well. That's just silly.
Just compare our team with the opposition. In One Day cricket, we've just won the world cup, after being the best One Day side for the last few years. In this test, we've done better than the Aussie's so far. Also take into account that the Aussies won the toss (meaning we'll be the side chasing a score on an old pitch) and we've lost Anderson. If Anderson hadn't got injured, I suspect we'd have won this test easily.
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I assume you think Sam Snead would walk the Open too ? Fred Perry would whup Federer ?
Yes, that's a true: tail-enders in those days were genuine tail-enders and, yes, keepers are expected to bat now. Look at the way that Les Ames was lauded for his ability to bat - he'd be run of the mill these days.
But good batsmen of that era were good batsmen. It's not just Bradman, any number of good players would survive in the modern world. Why is that we talk about cover driving, we still hold up Wally Hammond as the gold standard? He retired 70 years ago.
If I had a time machine, my first port of call would be to see Trumper bat. There are some people who saw him and Bradman bat say that Trumper was even better. I'd love to bring him back in my time machine and see how he got on.
Well yes. Look at SA without Steyn at the World Cup.
They screwed themselves by picking an unfit front line bowler. We're still in the game, and the series. Even if that's Jimmy done. Our greatest bowler ever.....
People love talking England down.
We'll win this series.
It would be fascinating. I think that modern fielding (which nobody can argue is light years ahead of that era) would make a big difference.
That's why there can be no comparison.
And, sorry to bang on about it, but fielding is so underrated when it comes to cricket comparisons. Even watching top end club cricket nowadays, it's WAY better than international cricket in the 80s fielding wise.
Everyone has to be totally on it, or you lose. No passengers.
The fast bowlers (and lazy fat spinners) have to be as good as the "specialist" fielders or they don't get in the team. That's down to U12 level as well, in Yorkshire anyway.
It's not "knock it to him and you're guaranteed two". Doesn't happen any more. That lad would be out of the team after a game or two.
Different game.
Everyone has to be totally on it, or you lose. No passengers.
The fast bowlers (and lazy fat spinners) have to be as good as the "specialist" fielders or they don't get in the team. That's down to U12 level as well, in Yorkshire anyway.
It's not "knock it to him and you're guaranteed two". Doesn't happen any more. That lad would be out of the team after a game or two.
Different game.
Jimmy will be a big miss, but it's even bigger in this game since we can't replace him.
Yep. That was my point really.
The Wizard
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F**k off Smith you lucky Australian kangaroo eating sandpaper pocket tosser
The Wizard
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Not impressed by Moeen this morning, no consistency.
Would really have helped him if he scored some runs, bringing a little bit of confidence from that onto the field would have helped. Instead he got out in really poor circumstances. I’d imagine he’s extremely low on confidence currently.
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Yeah, I hope I end up eating humble pie, but Mooen is offering very, very little currently.
The Wizard
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Don’t understand the field, we’ve essentially got a team 67/3 and the field isn’t that attacking even with your front line spinner bowling on a pitch that’s meant to be spinning heavily, they are just easily milking him right now.
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My point about comparisons is that Smith has got 50 so you expect him to go on to 100+ but not the same expectation for any England batsman.
I think that we will face an unachievable target 2nd innings and have to bat well to get the draw.
I think that we will face an unachievable target 2nd innings and have to bat well to get the draw.
Is it PotG?
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6/4 on the Sandpaper Gang looks tempting right now.
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That’s because Smith is a world class batsman, 280 is still 200 runs away yet though and batting last this pitch certainly isn’t unplayable, Lyon will be trouble though
Moeen Ali being taken out of the attack, bowled absolute rubbish this morning... just what you need from your front line spinner when you’re a bowler down.
BensGrandad
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That is my point we do not have a world class batsman who is virtually guaranteed to get a big score not even Root.