Well said. The stupidity and ignorance of his opening statement answers his own question
Election - Why oh why oh why? Please enlighten me.
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Well said. The stupidity and ignorance of his opening statement answers his own question
Ah, another thread that is turning into :
Labour - if you vote Labour then you're financially incompetent
Tory - if you vote Tory then you're evil
Green - if you vote Green then you're an out of touch hipster
Lib Dem - if you vote Lib Dem then you're a liar
UKIP - if you vote UKIP then you're racist
SNP - if you vote SNP then you're, well, Scottish
Can we not agree that people should vote for a party that best matches their beliefs and it doesn't make them financially incompetent, evil, an out of touch hipster, a liar, a racist or Scottish ( OK, the last one maybe ) ? Or is something as intelligent as this too difficult ?
Labour - if you vote Labour then you're financially incompetent
Tory - if you vote Tory then you're evil
Green - if you vote Green then you're an out of touch hipster
Lib Dem - if you vote Lib Dem then you're a liar
UKIP - if you vote UKIP then you're racist
SNP - if you vote SNP then you're, well, Scottish
Can we not agree that people should vote for a party that best matches their beliefs and it doesn't make them financially incompetent, evil, an out of touch hipster, a liar, a racist or Scottish ( OK, the last one maybe ) ? Or is something as intelligent as this too difficult ?
Not all UKIP supporters are racist. Some are clowns.
I'm absolutely NOT racist but we need to sort out these foreigners!
Of course, there are plenty of dirty tricks stories you can throw about.
For example, how about the Tories accepting cash donations from Lycamobile when they don't pay any tax into the exchequer? http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/29/lycamobile-donations-tories-tax_n_5409793.html
Perhaps we can burst this bubble once and for all.
In 2007 Mr George Osborne said government spending under the Conservatives would rise from £615bn next year to £674bn in 2010/11. He was proposing larger public spending increases than Labour.
Why? Because the Tories expected the economy to grow faster than public spending.
Public spending accounted for about 40 per cent of gross domestic product during Margaret Thatcher’s years as prime minister. Under John Major it was 38 per cent; since 2010 it has been almost 41 per cent. Under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, the figure was 37 per cent. Fact.
Labour did not foresee the GLOBAL financial crash. Nor did they create it. All governments and politicians created it and that's the lesson we hope they have all learned.
Had the crash happened under the Tory watch, then the question is this: would there have been a Tory with the strength of character to propose and back a quantitative easy programme?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6975536.stm
In 2007 Mr George Osborne said government spending under the Conservatives would rise from £615bn next year to £674bn in 2010/11. He was proposing larger public spending increases than Labour.
Why? Because the Tories expected the economy to grow faster than public spending.
Public spending accounted for about 40 per cent of gross domestic product during Margaret Thatcher’s years as prime minister. Under John Major it was 38 per cent; since 2010 it has been almost 41 per cent. Under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, the figure was 37 per cent. Fact.
Labour did not foresee the GLOBAL financial crash. Nor did they create it. All governments and politicians created it and that's the lesson we hope they have all learned.
Had the crash happened under the Tory watch, then the question is this: would there have been a Tory with the strength of character to propose and back a quantitative easy programme?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6975536.stm
symyjym
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Labour voters indoctrinate their children.
Because they don't have the required brain cells to make an informed decision.
father_and_son
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Not strictly true... what the banks did was crash the credit market so that it became extremely difficult to borrow money (they were able to do this because successive governments throughout the Western world allowed derivative and debt markets to go virtually unregulated .. because the products traded on these markets were so complex only a handful of people actually understood them and none of those people were in government! The market woke up to the fact that the products sold were considerably less attractive than the hype had made them look and the market lost confidence). If no one was in any debt then a collapse of the credit market would have been relatively insignificant.
Our government at the time and most of the governments of the Western world relied on debt markets because, frankly, they were all massively overspending. When you are up to your eyeballs in debt and no one will lend you any more then you are going to go bankrupt and that is what happened, almost on a global scale. Even those prudent countries who weren't borrowing like idiots were caught in the collapse of the countries that bought their goods and service - hence what should have been a 'self regulating' market hiccup became a national issue and then an international problem until finally it was a global catastrophe.
The Banks were not responsible for the governments' over spending & debt and the governments were not responsible for the collapse of the debt market (although there were partially culpable by deregulating too far).
Don't believe the right wing clap trap that Labour caused the crash, and don't believe the left wing bo11ocks that the Banks caused the recession.
Scoffers
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Just remember who sold all the gold
Don Quixote
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Because if the conservatives always get in it's not really democracy, is it? People like a change.
HH Brighton
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You've got us there with your political insight.....facts are fact right? http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/21/uk-borrowing-_n_4316084.html
el punal
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Never mind chaps, it will all be over in a couple of days! Then you can concentrate on the important issues of the day like who are we going to sign and when, will the catering improve, does Barber know what he's doing, why doesn't Bloom put £300 million into the transfer budget and what's that big hole in the car park? The list is endless . . . .
Wanting to rid the country of the incumbent government if you hate them, IS as valid a reason to vote for the opposition as any.
But...in the spirit your question was meant, I'll add "because in my opinion they are the most likely to protect the NHS and our other much threatened public services".
Just remember who sold all the electricity, gas, water, social housing, Post Office, railways, oil, and British Airways. Apologies for anything that I might have missed as there's so fecking many of them.
Withdean11
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Each to their own. I can't understand anyone voting Labour, Conservative, Lib Dems, or Greens.
Just remember who sold all the electricity, gas, water, social housing, Post Office, railways, oil, and British Airways. Apologies for anything that I might have missed as there's so fecking many of them.
Oh yeah, British Telecom. I forgot that one for starters!
Labour are far less likely to make important economic mistakes than the Tories.
Let's examine the evidence. On the Tory watch:
Dr Beeching branch line cuts
Privatising the trains
Dismantling of the coal industry
Dismantling of the steel industry
On Labour's watch:
Selling off gold reserves
Yes, public spending is supposedly higher under Labour but this isn't a calamitous mistake. The Tories just shout about it so that enough people believe it. Even though the deficit has shot up still further under the coalition, it is still miniscule compared to GDP and compared to historical levels.
And this of course. The Tories have a history of selling off the nations assets, which along with the regressive tax systems they seem to prefer, ensures that distribution of wealth gets ever wider. And of course leaves the nation with no assets. It's not even as if the Tories stop at privatising industries where real competition can drive down prices and drive up quality. They'll privatise anything for a fast buck.Just remember who sold all the electricity, gas, water, social housing, Post Office, railways, oil, and British Airways. Apologies for anything that I might have missed as there's so fecking many of them.
Hotchilidog
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Not too mention the great Tory recessions of 1980-81, 1990-92 and of course Gideon and Dave's double dip this term. Since 1980 the conservatives have been the party that has sold off the family silver, used the north sea oil money to finance mass unemployment and wreck manufacturing industry with crippling recessions as well as stoking up a property bubble which means that most people under the age of 30 are unlikely to be able to afford their own home. Quite the track record of economic competence. Still at least we now play host to a record number of foreign billionaires and tax-dodging corporations who can get away with paying wages so low they get subsidised by the state. Yep those guys really know what they are doing.