Education in the UK

[Goring Gull]

How come - the government say theat results in school are getting better, yet when you read anything the standards of behaviour, learning, trauncy etc all seem to be getting worse. now in my opinion someone somewhrer is fudging the figures i'm sure it's getting worse.

Whn i was at Worthing High i thought it was a relatively good school but having read an ofsted report on it only 49% of pupils got 5 A-C at gcse i'm sure it must have been better when i was there about 14 years ago. Look at the majority of schools and a general average seemt to be about 45% is out education system really that crap?

 

[Starry]

I've been doing nothing but reading school reports, OFSTED, national averages and such. My son is getting to grammar school age and we aren't sure what we'll do with him yet. I would like for him to stay at his current school.

Our local secondary school has a 72% pass rate A*-C at GCSE which is the same it has been for the last five years (well between 71%-73%). No improvement. But hasn't gotten worse either. The class sizes have gone up dramatically though, 199 students enrolled this school year.

I am not particularly impressed with our local schools and around here I'd say it was crap but I know there are good state schools elsewhere.

 

[Goring Gull]

I've been doing nothing but reading school reports, OFSTED, national averages and such. My son is getting to grammar school age and we aren't sure what we'll do with him yet. I would like for him to stay at his current school.

Our local secondary school has a 72% pass rate A*-C at GCSE which is the same it has been for the last five years (well between 71%-73%). No improvement. But hasn't gotten worse either. The class sizes have gone up dramatically though, 199 students enrolled this school year.

I am not particularly impressed with our local schools and around here I'd say it was crap but I know there are good state schools elsewhere.

I'm definitely looking into sending our son to Huddersfield Grammar 100% A-c pass rate even if it means sacrifices a few things to do it as other than a couple of high schools up here which are around 65% 5 A-C some are appalling.

 

[The Large One]

So are pass grades your first point of reference when looking to choose a school for your kids?

 

[Goring Gull]

So are pass grades your first point of reference when looking to choose a school for your kids?

Not at all but it is important and generally not always but generally better results are better schools they tend do to have less problem kids.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

I think a better test of a school is the PTA. If the parents are well involved in a school then it will probably do well. Pass grades are normally only relfective of the area of schooling not the teaching. If you must look at pass grades look at those that are improving, not just those that have a high %

 

[Goring Gull]

I think a better test of a school is the PTA. If the parents are well involved in a school then it will probably do well. Pass grades are normally only relfective of the area of schooling not the teaching. If you must look at pass grades look at those that are improving, not just those that have a high %

Agreed to apoint school with a catchment of a not so great area do tend to suffer and in a lot of cases down to lack of parental input with the school and kids - not in all cases as some parents who have had to struggle do try and push thier children - it's just the amount of added distraction and an image among kids that it's not cool to learn.

 

[Starry]

I'm definitely looking into sending our son to Huddersfield Grammar 100% A-c pass rate even if it means sacrifices a few things to do it as other than a couple of high schools up here which are around 65% 5 A-C some are appalling.

My children definitely won't go to our local schools, I am thankful that we are able to send them to a better school albeit a fair trek away.

We've got the rest of this school year and the whole of the next to make our mind up for him, his name is registered at plenty of schools and after Christmas we'll trek around looking at them and everything. At the moment he wants to board which is not what I want at all. We'll see...

 

[Starry]

So are pass grades your first point of reference when looking to choose a school for your kids?

Not at all.

I wouldn't send my children to a 100% pass rate school if I felt their pastoral, emotional, mental etc. needs were not being met. But it is certainly a factor. I wouldn't send them to a 30% pass rate school which has outstanding extra curricular activities and facilities either.

 

[desprateseagull]

any school can have a 100% pas rate if the 'wasters' all got expelled, before the count!

what you do AFTER leaving scholl matters more- the basics (reading, riting, rithmatic, as dad used to day) got him through life OK..

anything else is a bonus.

 

[Starry]

>>>what you do AFTER leaving scholl matters more- the basics

Which so many children are still failing in.

 

[Goring Gull]

any school can have a 100% pas rate if the 'wasters' all got expelled, before the count!

what you do AFTER leaving scholl matters more- the basics (reading, riting, rithmatic, as dad used to day) got him through life OK..

anything else is a bonus.

Agree, But a good education certainly helps as it can open up a lot more opportunities for you.

Why shut all the doors at such an early age - I sound like my old teachers now - Needless to say i chose to ignore most of it. Having said that i did all right.

If only we could get kids to see the value of a good education or getting a trade behind them in early life then i think a lot of problems could be solved. A lot of that responsibilty lies with the parents as well in my opinion.

 

[Napper]

Who was your form tutor at Wtg High

 

[Goring Gull]

Who was your form tutor at Wtg High

My final year it was Mr Williams big bloke alledgedly a bit of a kiddy fiddler - probably no truth in that though.

Head of year was Mr Kaczmarek finished there in 93

 

[adrian29uk]

My girlfriend is head of department in Luton and the pupils are out of control up there. I do not envy her one bit and she deserves every singly penny that she gets.

She is trying to move down but their are not that many jobs around. The schools in Sussex are mincey compared to these places.

If you can teach in Luton or London, I think you can teach anywhere.

Everyday a pupil will tell my girlfirend to f*** off, call her bitch etc, have fights in the class and teachers are absolutely powerless against this behaviour.

They are not allowed to touch the kids incase it ends in legal action. The schools are not allowed to expel either as kids have a right to be taught.

As a teacher once you have a black mark across your name you can never get a job again. Kids have more power than the teachers.

Please bear in mind, its not the teachers fault if children get bullied or get a bad education. It's the system, and the changes that the goverment keep making to it. This goverment do not have a F^&king clue about education, they have screwed it up this is why kids behave so badly.

 

[Gully]

I think the fact that kids behave so badly may be due in part to a complete lack of discipline and respect being taught in the home, I wouldn't blame the teachers, they can only try to teach whatever walks through the door.

 

[Goring Gull]

I think the fact that kids behave so badly may be due in part to a complete lack of discipline and respect being taught in the home, I wouldn't blame the teachers, they can only try to teach whatever walks through the door.

Agre without a doubt and it will get worse.

 

[Goring Gull]

My girlfriend is head of department in Luton and the pupils are out of control up there. I do not envy her one bit and she deserves every singly penny that she gets.

She is trying to move down but their are not that many jobs around. The schools in Sussex are mincey compared to these places.

If you can teach in Luton or London, I think you can teach anywhere.

Everyday a pupil will tell my girlfirend to f*** off, call her bitch etc, have fights in the class and teachers are absolutely powerless against this behaviour.

They are not allowed to touch the kids incase it ends in legal action. The schools are not allowed to expel either as kids have a right to be taught.

As a teacher once you have a black mark across your name you can never get a job again. Kids have more power than the teachers.

Please bear in mind, its not the teachers fault if children get bullied or get a bad education. It's the system, and the changes that the goverment keep making to it. This goverment do not have a F^&king clue about education, they have screwed it up this is why kids behave so badly.

I don't blame the teachers one little bit, they are their to teach the kids not discipline them or spend the whole lesson argueing.

I'm not saying capital punishment was right but the behaviour was far better in schools then - also the increase in immigrants etc has not helped alot of schools as this has caused language problems and they tend to be more unruly as they do not understand - There is a guy here who was a maths teacher in Batley he left as he got sick of it all he wanted to do was teach - It's bloody sad how it's come to this. Ultimataly we all pay for down the line when we end up doleing up umpteen benefits to these loutish lazy yobs when they leave school with no qualifications or ambition to get a job.

Also alot of kids who want to learn suffer as well.

 

[adrian29uk]

My girlfriend is not only a teacher but also a councillor for kids problems. However situations have arisen where she has called a racist or threatened to be sued.

A couple of years back my girlfriend said to the class at 11am there needs to be a minutes silence for rememberance day.

One kid spoke out and said its racist, and that there hould be a black day.

In my opinion it would probably be good to have a day to celebrate black culture, but as a teacher you have approach every situation with extreme caution without offending like the situation above.

Another occasion my girlfriend said to one coloured pupil, if you get any sader your bottom lip will fall off.
My girlfriend was immediatley called a racist. My girlfriend makes this statment to me sometimes, but as you can see a few comments that are not meant to be harmful can be taken the wrong way. After she said it she then realised what she said.

Another occasion she sent a kid out of the room. On the way out she shut the door and the kid put his hand in the way and of course hurt his hand. He then said I will sueing you and the school.

This is the crap they dont show on the adverts. I would love to send an MP in to school for a few weeks to see what it is really like. I think that the general public think a teachers job is finish at 3:30pm and get 20 weeks holiday a year, far from it.

 

[Gully]

Goring Gull, don't you mean "Corporal Punishment", I can't see anyone being sent to the gallows for wagging class or mucking around, a couple of strokes of the cane maybe...mind you that might improve behaviour if it was.