[Albion] Dunk ‘handball’

[Gazwag]

What about the other hand ball towards the end, might not have been in the penalty area but look a clear one and most of the Ns shouted hand ball

 

[Birdie Boy]

Dunk was falling to the ground so am was in a natural position plus the ball hit his back and then elbow. No penalty.
Although I thought Pedro's was soft at first, if the Luton player had stayed on his feet it would have been fine but he didn't and brought Pedro down with him. Penalty.

 

[Stato]

Dunk, like a lot of defenders, was caught by the Catch 22 of a poor law change. The rule says it's handball if a player:

• touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised.

As the rule makes it the defender's responsibility to keep his hands out of the way, Dunk slid into the block with his hands raised to keep them out of the way. The ball deflected off his back up into his arm. The arm that was only in this unnatural position because he was trying to avoid being penalised by this stupidly framed law.

 

[East London Exile]

I’m less bothered about inconsistency across different games as long as the ref is consistent over 90 mins. Yesterday we got a soft pen and that was cancelled out by their soft pen, so no real complaints.

Consistency over 90 mins would be a good starting point but, with a professional refereeing body overseeing all games, consistency across different games should be expected. Players will train to the laws of the game and the guidance given by the organising bodies. To have something permitted by one referee one week and denied by a different referee the next makes it difficult for how they play the game.

 

[Weststander]

Dunk was falling to the ground so am was in a natural position plus the ball hit his back and then elbow. No penalty.

This.

 

[Surrey Phil]

If a penalty can be given for the ball hitting your elbow, off your back first, behind you when you are looking the other way, I would expect all managers to be telling players to smash the ball at defenders whenever near the penalty area!!! The rules are now ludicrous!

 

[Oh_aye]

Dunkys arm is in an unnatural position..... If you've never played a minutes football im your life

Imagine sliding at full speed to block a cross and keeping arms tightly to your sides. You're going to break at least one arm and possibly your neck.

 

[SteveU]

Different game but I can’t believe Martinez for Villa didn’t get a red card for running out of his area and deliberately pulling a player down who was going past him and very likely to score.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Different game but I can’t believe Martinez for Villa didn’t get a red card for running out of his area and deliberately pulling a player down who was going past him and very likely to score.

Yup, that was absurd. About as blatant and cynical as it's possible to get

 

[trueblue]

Different game but I can’t believe Martinez for Villa didn’t get a red card for running out of his area and deliberately pulling a player down who was going past him and very likely to score.

It was right on the touchline. Thought that was from being a clear goalscoring opportunity with other players racing back.

 

[Seagull58]

Don’t worry nothing dangerous, just referee trainer

Lee Mason set for PGMOL return as referees’ coach after VAR blunder last season

Mason had left his role as a VAR in February by mutual consent.

www.times-series.co.uk

League 1 and 2 only. Phew!

 

[Seagull58]

Different game but I can’t believe Martinez for Villa didn’t get a red card for running out of his area and deliberately pulling a player down who was going past him and very likely to score.

He was way out by the touchline and there was at least one defender nearer the goal. It's not a red card offense, although it's Martinez and, therefore, he should have been red carded.

 

[SteveU]

He was way out by the touchline and there was at least one defender nearer the goal. It's not a red card offense, although it's Martinez and, therefore, he should have been red carded.

A professional foul is a red card no?

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

A professional foul is a red card no?

No such thing

 

[METALMICKY]

VAR remains clueless if you look at Brentford's penalty today. The referee quite correctly waives the penalty away although you do wonder how well he sees it. However, VAR has a look and overturns the referee and gives it. Unfortunately, the VAR just seems to focus on whether there was contact and there clearly is. What it misses is that after the 'Gross turn ' and the contact there's a big delay and in a totally separate movement the Brentford player goes to ground having actually steadied himself perfectly. He's conned them and VAR should have spotted it.

 

[LamieRobertson]

I thought Everton were hard done by re the decision to not allow a goal because of a supposed foul by Tarkowski on the goalie…..more like the latters error

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Thought the same L/R. If you were going to give a penalty out those two it was one for Everton.

 

[birthofanorange]

Am I the only one that doesn’t mind this rule ? Removes any ambiguity now rather than what was ‘deliberate’ or not

Yes, you may well be, because it's simply ridiculous. Faced with a packed goal, all you have to do is kick the ball against someone's arm....penalty.
It's absurd.

 

[Springal]

Yes, you may well be, because it's simply ridiculous. Faced with a packed goal, all you have to do is kick the ball against someone's arm....penalty.
It's absurd.

But at least it’s fare / consistent with no wiggle room. I’ve referee’d at an ok level in Sussex leagues and I always hated any hand ball decision. Doesn’t help that players claim it for anything remotely close

 

[birthofanorange]

But at least it’s fare / consistent with no wiggle room. I’ve referee’d at an ok level in Sussex leagues and I always hated any hand ball decision. Doesn’t help that players claim it for anything remotely close

I do understand that, but a player facing away, who has the ball hit him from close range, which ricocheted from back to arm, should never, ever been given.
It really is absurd, from whichever angle you look at it.