Da Man Clay
T'Blades
- Dec 16, 2004
- 16,286
No they aren’t. Haven’t been by anything I’ve seen on VAR either.
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[Albion] Drop Ball
- Thread starter WATFORD zero
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No they aren’t. Haven’t been by anything I’ve seen on VAR either.
Maybe I’m wrong then.
The FA don't seem to have updated their own law website?
Their own website http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-8---the-start-and-restart-of-play seems to say that the ref can't determine who can contest a dropped ball. And it also clearly says that the ball is in play when it touches the ground - and the ball bounced a couple of times at the Chelsea player's feet before Maupay took it. But the FA also have this about the new law http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/2019-2020-law-changes-explained
It says that the nearest opponent must be 4m away, but doesn't say how long they have to remain 4m away - it looked as though Maupay was, and the defender just dallied. A ref chat forum has some stuff about this, and concludes that as soon as the ball touches the ground it's in play https://www.refchat.co.uk/threads/dropped-ball.13925/page-3, and that the opponent has to remain 4m away until the ball is in play - they refer to p88 of LOAF (don't know what that is).
So, I can only assume that Ref decided Maupay wasn't 4m away when the ball hit the ground? And to be fair - he did warn him a few times.
All a bit of a mess.
Their own website http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-8---the-start-and-restart-of-play seems to say that the ref can't determine who can contest a dropped ball. And it also clearly says that the ball is in play when it touches the ground - and the ball bounced a couple of times at the Chelsea player's feet before Maupay took it. But the FA also have this about the new law http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/2019-2020-law-changes-explained
It says that the nearest opponent must be 4m away, but doesn't say how long they have to remain 4m away - it looked as though Maupay was, and the defender just dallied. A ref chat forum has some stuff about this, and concludes that as soon as the ball touches the ground it's in play https://www.refchat.co.uk/threads/dropped-ball.13925/page-3, and that the opponent has to remain 4m away until the ball is in play - they refer to p88 of LOAF (don't know what that is).
So, I can only assume that Ref decided Maupay wasn't 4m away when the ball hit the ground? And to be fair - he did warn him a few times.
All a bit of a mess.
It looks current to me - the first part of the procedure for drop ball seems to say exactly what the BBC report is saying and what we all know is in place this year. It just then has an extra line after the procedure that seems to contradict it
PROCEDURE
The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped:
The ball is in play when it touches the ground.
Any number of players may contest a dropped ball (including the goalkeepers); the referee cannot decide who may contest a dropped ball or its outcome.
The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped:
- the ball was in the penalty area or
- the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area
- In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player, an outside agent or, as outlined in Law 9.1, a match official
- All other players (of both teams) must remain at least 4 m (4.5 yds) from the ball until it is in play
The ball is in play when it touches the ground.
Any number of players may contest a dropped ball (including the goalkeepers); the referee cannot decide who may contest a dropped ball or its outcome.
The procedues says all players (of both teams) must remain at least 4m away, then says any number can contest. I can't make sense of it - I was going to argue maybe it mean, for instance, Chelsea could have put 5 of their players by the ref when he dropped it, but those last two bullet points rule it out.
"all other players". It looks to me as though the ref drops it at the feet of one player, all other players being 4m away until the ball is live, which is when it hits the ground. So, the question is how far away was Maupay when the ball hit the ground?
jonny.rainbow
Well-known member
- Oct 29, 2005
- 6,848
I’m sure a referee could draw some dubious lines and get his ruler out and tell us. Armpits included?
blue-shifted
Banned
Anything in the IFAB rules about booking a player for contesting a drop ball? Nope
When you do something the ref has explicitly told you not to do, I don't think you can complain too much!
I wasn't really arguing for Maupay, more trying to make sense of that last line, which HT has highlighted is in the laws of the game, and seemingly contradicts the info above it.
That’s nowhere near 4m.
Bob!
Coffee Buyer
- Jul 5, 2003
- 11,644
The Ref shouldn't have dropped the ball then. Surely he's accepting the player is in the correct position by re-starting play?
I agree. That photo also shows how lacking in any interest the Chelsea player has in moving the ball after it had been dropped and become active. The ref must have been happy to restart the game, as you stated, his call.
Football used to be a simple game.
All this thread demonstrates is what a total cluster**** the blazers at the FA is making of our "beautiful game".
Total shambles with all fans totally bemused by a multitude of decisions this season.
"It's Not Football Anymore"
(If only we could get a Fans United thing going where every fan of every club is singing that chant as each match kicks off)
Total shambles with all fans totally bemused by a multitude of decisions this season.
"It's Not Football Anymore"
(If only we could get a Fans United thing going where every fan of every club is singing that chant as each match kicks off)
Herr Ing Gull
Active member
- Sep 3, 2014
- 79
It is judging by his interpretation of 10m for free kicks
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The law seems to be that the other players have to stay 4m away until the ball is live, which is when it hits the ground. If the player is 4m away when the ref drops the ball, then they could move 2m in the interim. However, Maupay wasn't 4m away then either, so yes I agree - ref shouldn't have dropped it.
Arthur
Well-known member
Well consider myself educated...but what a load of bollocks!