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It's difficult to comprehend that there really are people in the world that are that stupid.
Well thank God the British electorate aren't that st.............. Oh
It's difficult to comprehend that there really are people in the world that are that stupid.
And from other completely reputable news sources:
Well this is a thread specifically designed to elicit a response to Trump’s candidacy (or by association, Biden’s) so it’s a bit hard to make intelligent or useful on topic contributions to the thread without declaring some kind of position on Trump or Biden - unless you just post the ‘news’ - but even then one’s selection of news sources contain inherent bias in that choice.This thread is just going to get more and more amusing. It's not just 'Toys out of prams' now it's all out disbelief and panic. The Teflon Don mark 2.
Don't ask my politics. I wont answer.
I'm not sure I've made any arguments particularly, though I certainly stated a couple of opinions in my last post.
I do have a couple of genuine questions for you though, as I'm interested in the answers.
What charges against Mr Trump or his companies were made up?
If only some of the people involved in an insurrection are armed* is it any less of an insurrection? Is there a certain percentage of armed people you need to reach?
How are the BLM riots relevant?
* 'armed' probably requires definition.
So, he / his company didn't inflate the value of his properties?Made up? Most apart from the papers at Mara lago. Its called lawfare and my auto correct is going a bit gimpy atm.
When you say 'charged him with so much made up stuff' - can you provide any court cases where Trump has been acquitted of the charges please? Not the politically determined impeachment - but proper cases. The only court cases I can recall have all ended in guilty verdicts and fines.
Also - if all these cases were 'made-up' then surely his best tactic would be to get them over with quickly, and get acquittals. Then he can go round saying how victimised he is with some justification. But no - his tactic is actually to delay them as long as possible so that he can scrub the charges when president again. Why?
So, he / his company didn't inflate the value of his properties?
You are arguing a red herring here - I’ve covered this up thread but the main criminal indictments Trump faces relating to the 2020 Election do not include a charge of insurrection deliberately as it is difficult to prove - instead he faces 4 indictments all carrying 10-20yrs in prison and/or substantial fines:I think an insurrection is an organised riot to overthrow the authority. Which was why the FBI was threatening defendants with long sentences if they didn't give evidence of collusion with trump. They didn't give evidence as there wasn't any so got long sentences for not colluding go figure.
BLM riots are relevant as an example of a 2 tier justice system. Jan6ers have been held in solitary for months without charges for what is effectively trespass, whereas BLM/antifa marxist were released to carry on rioting.
Are you projecting? - Like the Republicans did to Hilary Clinton, except in that case there was only careless handling of classified material, in Trump’s case it is deliberately withholding classified documents (even after being ask for their return).The charges are to hamper his election campaign brought by DNC judges and DAs, None are likely to be fair trials if you have read the details of the latest trial its an absolute abomination.
A scheme that for 13 years used inflated property prices to gain tax benefits not a crime? It’s criminal tax fraud and Trump was found guilty by 12 jurors from mixed political backgrounds.Thats not how it works, you get independent valuations or the onus is on the lender to value and agree the loan. Loans were agreed and repaid, no victim or any other type of crime. This is making other businesses a bit panic ridden and I think it was the mayor who said this judgement only applies to trump to calm nerves. Wot?
You seem to have missed out the Grand Jury part of the process in bringing charges in most of these cases. Ordinary people, not DAs, not judges, not officials.The charges are to hamper his election campaign brought by DNC judges and DAs, None are likely to be fair trials if you have read the details of the latest trial its an absolute abomination.
Thank you for taking the time to answer.Made up? Most apart from the papers at Mara lago. Its called lawfare and my auto correct is going a bit gimpy atm.
I think an insurrection is an organised riot to overthrow the authority. Which was why the FBI was threatening defendants with long sentences if they didn't give evidence of collusion with trump. They didn't give evidence as there wasn't any so got long sentences for not colluding go figure.
BLM riots are relevant as an example of a 2 tier justice system. Jan6ers have been held in solitary for months without charges for what is effectively trespass, whereas BLM/antifa marxist were released to carry on rioting.
Something to be said for totalitarianism is that crackpots wouldn't be able to vote.
Please see my post above - I have addressed all these points.Thank you for taking the time to answer.
Having been following the Trump story since before he was elected, I'd disagree with you on the trials simply based on the evidence that has been made public.
1. With regards to the insurrection, you haven't really answered the question I posed, but you do seem to agree that the attack on the Capitol was an insurrection - an organised riot to overthrow authority.
2. The BLM stuff I don't know much about so I will look into further, though I suspect there is no direct comparison between looting and trying to stop the transfer of power. I will check though, as I could be wrong on that.
Sorry, I wasn’t trying to step on any toes but you seemed to be getting sucked into to an argument CD has been trying to bait everyone else into for months about there being no evidence Trump is guilty of insurrection - just saying it‘s a moot argument . The links I posted aren’t off topic btw but very specific to the accusation by MAGArs that the J6ers are being treated more harshly than the BLM rioters or being kept incarcerated for months without being charged as CD claims above (which would be illegal).Erm, thanks @Zeberdi . I'm not sure, any further explanation was required for me, I am fully aware Mr Trump hasn't been charged with insurrection - I was merely curious as to what level of weaponry @Crawley Dingo thought was required for an insurrection to be regarded as legitimate... which is probably off topic.
I am interested in the BLM stuff, which I admit not paying much attention to at the time, so will browse through the links you've posted at my leisure. Again, probably off topic.
It‘s an op-ed from a US senator, so pick whatever source you prefer or just don’t bother with it. Posting nonsense in the hope of a “like“ is beneath you…I think…
Better stop posting all newspaper articles then, it works equally well on the left.Well this is a thread specifically designed to elicit a response to Trump’s candidacy (or by association, Biden’s) so it’s a bit hard to make intelligent or useful on topic contributions to the thread without declaring some kind of position on Trump or Biden - unless you just post the ‘news’ - but even then one’s selection of news sources contain inherent bias in that choice.
Not sure who you are referring to as ‘throwing toys out of the pram’ btw but if Trump wins, which is seemingly getting more and more like a real possibility, I can assure you it will have far more a devastating impact on global enviro-geo-eco-politics than your trivilisation of the thread (and of those commenting on the issues) seems to reflect.
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Be careful not to come to the conclusion that BLM is a Marxist, POS of an organization that has done absolutely nothing to help blacks in America other than to enrich themselves. You will be crucified upside down...Erm, thanks @Zeberdi . I'm not sure, any further explanation was required for me, I am fully aware Mr Trump hasn't been charged with insurrection - I was merely curious as to what level of weaponry @Crawley Dingo thought was required for an insurrection to be regarded as legitimate... which is probably off topic.
I am interested in the BLM stuff, which I admit not paying much attention to at the time, so will browse through the links you've posted at my leisure. Again, probably off topic.
His 11,000 sq ft apartment was described as 30,000 sq ft for valuation purposes.Thats not how it works, you get independent valuations or the onus is on the lender to value and agree the loan. Loans were agreed and repaid, no victim or any other type of crime. This is making other businesses a bit panic ridden and I think it was the mayor who said this judgement only applies to trump to calm nerves. Wot?
previous now banned incarnation @Tyrone Biggums wasn't quite as delusional and conspiratoryMade up? Most apart from the papers at Mara lago. Its called lawfare and my auto correct is going a bit gimpy atm.
I think an insurrection is an organised riot to overthrow the authority. Which was why the FBI was threatening defendants with long sentences if they didn't give evidence of collusion with trump. They didn't give evidence as there wasn't any so got long sentences for not colluding go figure.
BLM riots are relevant as an example of a 2 tier justice system. Jan6ers have been held in solitary for months without charges for what is effectively trespass, whereas BLM/antifa marxist were released to carry on rioting.