Doesn't look good for the terrorist Mandela

[Aseros]

Taken back to hospital and world asked to pray.

 

[SeagullinExile]

Not me - I'm too busy supping an ice cold beer.

 

[Bakero]

 

[pork pie]

This should run to a few pages now! lol

 

[SeagullinExile]

Hehe...to be fair, the OP does have a point.

 

[Commander]

I expect at least 15 pages and Bushy and Tubthumper to have had a spot of online fisticuffs by the time I next check this thread. I hope so, anyway.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Hehe...to be fair, the OP does have a point.

Does he ? How ?

 

[pork pie]

Hehe...to be fair, the OP does have a point.

It is clearly a statement of fact. It is up to us all to judge if his acts were justified. Very similar to the power sharing government in Northern Ireland.

One man's terrist is another man's freedom fighter and all that.

With the mess that South Africa is in now, did he do the right thing even?

 

[supaseagull]

I hope so...either that or just ignorant lol

 

[SeagullinExile]

Does he ? How ?

Read post #9

Besides. There are far more important things going on in the world than whether Mr Mandela is in hospital or not. My opinion by the way before you go off on one.

 

[strings]

I know this is fishing, but I'll bite.

The thing with Mandela, wasn't that he was a terrorist. It was that when he came out of Prison, South Africa could easily have slipped into a civil war. Many of the ANC supporters (and others) wanted war. Mandela, when everybody was expecting violence, came out and encouraged his followers that 'the Rainbow nation' was the way forward. That can't have been easy - especially with a lot of the violent protests of the early 1990s.

For me, that is why Mandela was great. Not because of what he did when he was young (many will argue it was justified, many will argue it was not - I'm not getting into that), but because of what he did after his release from Prison.

The World will be a poorer place the day he passes.

 

[Brian Riggs]

Very well put, Aseros.

Nonetheless, it will leave the lefties and uneducated upset.

 

[Aseros]

Definition of Terrorist

A person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.

What Nelson Mandela done (one of many things)

he co-founded the militant Umkhonto we Sizwe (MK) in 1961, leading a bombing campaign against government targets.

Nelson Mandela = Terrorist. No ifs or buts about it. You can't say he is a freedom fighter, he is a terrorist. He fits the definition of one. Remember, everybody that commits terrorism is doing it because they feel as though they are fighting for the good cause.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I know this is fishing, but I'll bite.

The thing with Mandela, wasn't that he was a terrorist. It was that when he came out of Prison, South Africa could easily have slipped into a civil war. Many of the ANC supporters (and others) wanted war. Mandela, when everybody was expecting violence, came out and encouraged his followers that 'the Rainbow nation' was the way forward. That can't have been easy - especially with a lot of the violent protests of the early 1990s.

For me, that is why Mandela was great. Not because of what he did when he was young (many will argue it was justified, many will argue it was not - I'm not getting into that), but because of what he did after his release from Prison.

The World will be a poorer place the day he passes.

I was going to post, but would have said almost exactly this.

 

[n1 gull]

I know this is fishing, but I'll bite.

The thing with Mandela, wasn't that he was a terrorist. It was that when he came out of Prison, South Africa could easily have slipped into a civil war. Many of the ANC supporters (and others) wanted war. Mandela, when everybody was expecting violence, came out and encouraged his followers that 'the Rainbow nation' was the way forward. That can't have been easy - especially with a lot of the violent protests of the early 1990s.

For me, that is why Mandela was great. Not because of what he did when he was young (many will argue it was justified, many will argue it was not - I'm not getting into that), but because of what he did after his release from Prison.

The World will be a poorer place the day he passes.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Mandela's detractors are at least coming across as apologetic / defensive. Time was when his opponents had no problem describing themselves as "white supremacists". Mandela himself deserves much of the credit for that shift in opinion.

 

[SeagullinExile]

Definition of Terrorist



What Nelson Mandela done (one of many things)



Nelson Mandela = Terrorist. No ifs or buts about it. You can't say he is a freedom fighter, he is a terrorist. He fits the definition of one. Remember, everybody that commits terrorism is doing it because they feel as though they are fighting for the good cause.

Well said.

 

[SeagullinExile]

Not to dissimilar to the way Israel was bombed into existence in 1948.

 

[Return of the Rev]

The Specials - Nelson Mandela - YouTube

 

[pork pie]

I know this is fishing, but I'll bite.

The thing with Mandela, wasn't that he was a terrorist. It was that when he came out of Prison, South Africa could easily have slipped into a civil war. Many of the ANC supporters (and others) wanted war. Mandela, when everybody was expecting violence, came out and encouraged his followers that 'the Rainbow nation' was the way forward. That can't have been easy - especially with a lot of the violent protests of the early 1990s.

For me, that is why Mandela was great. Not because of what he did when he was young (many will argue it was justified, many will argue it was not - I'm not getting into that), but because of what he did after his release from Prison.

The World will be a poorer place the day he passes.

Indeed. If he was anything like he is portrayed by Morgan Freeman in Invictus, he is a true statesman. It is such a pitty that his followers are so corrupt and now do so little to bring true equality to the whole of South Africa because they are too busy taking back-handers.