[Politics] Do we need a General Strike?

[Zeberdi]

With regard to Germany's system, exactly why do some think it is a better way of doing it. Someone seem to suggest they have 21st century hospitals, is there a link to this news because my google searches seem to suggest not. What metrics are you using to decide it's a better system?

Additionally, basic public healthcare insurance in Germany excludes a lot of chronic healthcare provision, requires supplemental payments for prescriptions etc

https://www.thelocal.de/20201002/healthcare-in-germany-your-out-of-pocket-costs-explained-ottonova-tlccu/

 

[worthingseagull123]

I work in public sector and wont be striking.

 

[worthingseagull123]

My youngest is due to fly into Heathrow at 5am on the 23rd from Cape Town. Really hoping they get back OK as the missus is already panicking about not having him home for Christmas.

Not every immigration officer is a member of PCS.

Many are not in a union or are in ISU who aren’t striking at this time.

 

[rippleman]

Not every immigration officer is a member of PCS.

Many are not in a union or are in ISU who aren’t striking at this time.

But as jimhigham said on another thread, the ISU members are training up military personnel so they can break the PCS strike. Tres fraternal eh?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Agreed ..if only we could take health, education etc away from politicians

But who then decides who it is given to, how they are measured and monitored and what budget they get

Taking it further, a benign Dictatorship would address a whole lot of issues better than a democracy, but that ain't gonna happen either

 

[LamieRobertson]

But who then decides who it is given to, how they are measured and monitored and what budget they get

Taking it further, a benign Dictatorship would address a whole lot of issues better than a democracy, but that ain't gonna happen either

Me

 

[beorhthelm]

But who then decides who it is given to, how they are measured and monitored and what budget they get

budget set by treasury anyway. should be distributed equally across the population, so no decisions required. only thing politicians do is fudge up the service.

 

[WATFORD zero]

budget set by treasury anyway. should be distributed equally across the population, so no decisions required. only thing politicians do is fudge up the service.

So the budget has been set for evermore and with no decisions needed, the amount of money should simply be distributed equally across the population regardless of any national, regional or individual health needs or conditions

This is going well

 

[drew]

budget set by treasury anyway. should be distributed equally across the population, so no decisions required. only thing politicians do is fudge up the service.

That's a rather broad statement, exactly how would that work?

 

[Randy McNob]

Good old Thatcherism working its magic so many years on

There shouldn't be any debate about whether there should be strikes, workers have a legal right to do so and being demonised by a billionaire who broke (their own) law during lockdowns and support breaking the law on Brexit NI Protocol. Know your enemy

 

[Is it PotG?]

Good old Thatcherism working its magic so many years on

There shouldn't be any debate about whether there should be strikes, workers have a legal right to do so and being demonised by a billionaire who broke (their own) law during lockdowns and support breaking the law on Brexit NI Protocol. Know your enemy

Right on comrade.

 

[Zeberdi]

Good old Thatcherism working its magic so many years on

There shouldn't be any debate about whether there should be strikes, workers have a legal right to do so and being demonised by a billionaire who broke (their own) law during lockdowns and support breaking the law on Brexit NI Protocol. Know your enemy

Read on and rejoice (and Labour let it happen)

Conduct of Employment Agencies and Employment Businesses (Amendment) Regulations 2022

Johnson government passes scab agency laws as train drivers vote to strike

The new laws were passed as thousands of train drivers voted to strike. But a growing wave of opposition is being politically blocked by the Labour Party and trade unions.

www.wsws.org

 

[beorhthelm]

That's a rather broad statement, exactly how would that work?

probably some form modelling of funds based on demographics, some local input to refine. better than a politician favoring regions, pet projects.

 

[rogersix]

never understand why people think public owned means run direct from the ministry. the average time for a minister in post is something like 2 years, and they are usually ignorant of the brief, just there to sign off and set policy. wouldn't it be better to have running major state institutions left to those spending their life in the profession, stop political interference to boost a politician's career, or satisfy an ideological itch?

would the tories allow the teachers to teach, and the nurses to nurse?

how does the money thing actually work?

 

[Randy McNob]

Read on and rejoice (and Labour let it happen)

Conduct of Employment Agencies and Employment Businesses (Amendment) Regulations 2022

Johnson government passes scab agency laws as train drivers vote to strike

The new laws were passed as thousands of train drivers voted to strike. But a growing wave of opposition is being politically blocked by the Labour Party and trade unions.

www.wsws.org

No, they voted against it

Conduct of Employment Agencies and Employment Businesses (Amendment) Regulations 2022 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Lib Dems abstained

 

[Zeberdi]

No, they voted against it

Conduct of Employment Agencies and Employment Businesses (Amendment) Regulations 2022 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Lib Dems abstained

Thanks for the correction - I was probably thinking of Lib Dems!!

 

[Machiavelli]

Ok, let's add an element of profit into the equation as that will benefit all!!

We should properly fund health care to the same levels as, for example, the Germans. I believe they spend about 25% more on healthcare than we do. It's not just funding though, Brexit has hit the health industry really badly by restricting overseas recruitment and then, because of the way the NHS has been treated by politicians, following the pandemic retention of nurses, for example, has become a real issue.

Social care should also be addressed but Boris's other oven ready plan for this never materialised.

On a general point, I believe the Tories would be quite happy to see a collapse of the NHS an it being replaced with an insurance based scheme as it is a money making machine and that's what this current bunch are mainly about.

Agreed on this and not with @Weststander remotely on this. One of the reasons why the NHS is about the best VFM healthcare systems around the world is because it doesn't have to pay for billing/invoicing patients. We spend nearly half on healthcare than the US -- beware one or two on here that are advocating a privatised system.
At present, the reason why the Germans pay +25% on healthcare than us is because of austerity: there's been much talk by the Conservatives about keeping NHS spending in line with inflation (which they've done, with occasional extra doses of cash to tackle headline crises) which has worked on the public, but this neglects the fact that each year the demands on the NHS increases by 4% (ageing population, demographics, etc). And this explains not only the current German extra spending, but also the fact that the NHS's current devastating predicament.
We need a massive investment injection to begin to overturn that decade-plus shortfall. And also to tackle social care (ahem, Dilnot). All of this was laid out in the manifesto by 'chaos with Ed Miliband'.

 

[Randy McNob]

Right on comrade.

Funny how a government elected on a mandate of Brexit which was supposed reduce immigration to supposedly increase wages are now doing their level best to reduce wages and now bring in laws to replace those who protest with agency staff who (may or may not) end up being cheap foreign labour. Taking back control....

 

[A1X]

Ultimately the big problem in this country is too many people unaware of how things work in a modern globalised economy and preferring instead to bury their heads in the sand rather than admit there are problems. Unfortunately we are currently “blessed” with a Government which prefers to think everything will turn out fine if they ignore it and pretend the elephant in the room doesn’t exist.

They did the same with COVID. That went well too.

 

[attila]

We need a General Strike AND a General Election to get this callous, thick, self-serving bunch of unelected (yes they are...) scumbags out of government. As for those on my side who go 'but....Starmer...' I was at Wapping in 1986 with thousands of others fighting for freedom of the press, he kept people I know out of jail doing pro bono work as a young lawyer and even if everything a Starmer government does is a parody of what he was then it'll still be a vast improvement on this.