Do the stats lie: are we a dirty team?

[Bozza]

Well, are we?

English League Championship Stats: Team Discipline - 2011-12 Season:

Rank	Team	       Yellow	Red	Points
1	Cardiff City	20	0	20
        Crystal Palace	20	0	20
        Birmingham	20	0	20
4	Reading	        21	0	21
5	Coventry City	18	2	22 
        Watford	        22	0	22
7	Burnley	        21	1	23
8	Southampton	20	2	24
9	Peterborough 	21	2	25
        Notts Forest	23	1	25
11	Ipswich Town	20	3	26
        Bristol City    26	0	26
        Millwall        26	0	26
        Barnsley        26	0	26
15	Derby County	25	1	27
        Blackpool	27	0	27
17	Donny Rovers	26	1	28
        West Ham United	26	1	28
19	Middlesbrough	25	2	29
20	Hull City	31	0	31
21	Portsmouth	31	2	35
22	Leicester City	31	3	37
23	Leeds United	28	5	38
24	Brighton	41	2	45

 

[Napper]

We have a bit of a shitty side which to be honest does not endear us to other fans....not that it matters to be liked.

We whinge and moan to the ref alot and are very niggly. Poyets after match comments are often from a similar angle and the fact our assistant got sent off for dissent says a lot.

We had it last year so clearly a Poyet thing and it worked then so no major issue with it. Just hate to lose I guess.

 

[Billy the Fish]

As I said on the other thread, we are not physical and don't kick lumps out of other teams but our players are forced to make cynical fouls to stop play when we lose the ball, because we are so open.

 

[Shooting Star]

We're not dirty. As ^ mentioned, we're not a physical team, meaning we give away a lot of niggly fouls. I wouldn't worry about the stats, more so what it says about us (that we're not strong enough).

 

[simpleton]

Albion are 7 points clear of the next worse - which inevitably is Leeds. It says something. The worst part is that its mostly for sly stuff instead of barefaced fouls like Leeds.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Where's the option for "Don't really care just as long as we play decent football and win a few" ?

 

[Acker79]

This season we average a yellow card for every 4.73 fouls we commit. Our opponents average one yellow card every 5.32.

Saturday we committed 9 fouls and received 5 yellow cards, southampton committed 14 and received 2.
Against leeds we committed 8 fouls and received 5 yellows, Leeds committed 18 fouls and received the same number of cards.
13 fouls for two yellows v birmingham, to their 16 fouls for one card
West Ham 12 fouls for 4 yellows, v 11 fouls for one yellow.

I'm sceptical of those tables.

 

[Clive Walker's slaphead]

Trouble is we are making mistakes and they bring fouls

 

[vegster]

Every game Dunk plays he seems to get a yellow

 

[Goldstone-Ghost]

I'd like to know how we are placed in a table of bookings/sendings off that is purely based on dissent rather than fouls. Anyone know?

 

[We're the Stripes]

We definitely have a cynical side to our game, no doubt. BUT, on the yellow cards stats - have a look through our results, and the number of yellows compared to our opponents..

BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | B | Brighton | Results

In only 5 of our 17 league games have we actually had more yellows than the opposition, in 3 of them we've had the same, and 9 we've had less. Therefore in over half our games this season, you could suggest we were 'less dirty' based on cards. Does that suggest we've simply been a victim of card happy refs/officials losing control? What does it say? Genuinely not sure.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

This season we average a yellow card for every 4.73 fouls we commit. Our opponents average one yellow card every 5.32.

Saturday we committed 9 fouls and received 5 yellow cards, southampton committed 14 and received 2.
Against leeds we committed 8 fouls and received 5 yellows, Leeds committed 18 fouls and received the same number of cards.
13 fouls for two yellows v birmingham, to their 16 fouls for one card
West Ham 12 fouls for 4 yellows, v 11 fouls for one yellow.

I'm sceptical of those tables.

Good point. Well made.

 

[LamieRobertson]

I think we are almost naive in our fouling and what we think we can get away with ..our lack of championship experience comes in this form as well.

I don't think we are a dirty side at all..some of the tackles have been though desparation more thn anything....the 2 sending offs ..were nawty language and a 2nd book able offence the 2nd of which was debatle

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

We've picked up yellow cards for niggly fouls which the opposition seem to get away with because they have more experience in making it look innocuous.

 

[LamieRobertson]

We've picked up yellow cards for niggly fouls which the opposition seem to get away with because they have more experience in making it look innocuous.

I think we are in agreement there if u look at the previous post

 

[Braders]

Nah , they're all soft c**ts.

 

[The Large One]

First yellow card of the season - Lua Lua for a 'dive'.

It set the tone as far as the refs are concerned.

 

[Lord Bamber]

As I said on the other thread, we are not physical and don't kick lumps out of other teams but our players are forced to make cynical fouls to stop play when we lose the ball, because we are so open.

Very good point made.

 

[Deleted member 18477]

we are dirtier than dirty leeds. so yes we are a dirty team!

 

[Philzo-93]

In all fairness, all those red cards we have are a second book able offence - insanely harsh one too - and Tanno's l. Not two footed, leg breaking challenges...
Bookings? Reckless challenges at best along with dissent etc...are we dirty!? No...