Did I just say well done Cameron?

[Brightonfan1983]

the idea of tens of millions of Turks having the right to live in our country should horrify any sane Briton.

Oh for God's sake. The immigration scaremongering. Brilliantly tedious of you.

 

[adrian29uk]

Correct me if I am wrong. So if Turkey becomes part of the EU it means more people can seek employment in the UK, which is fine because they do the jobs a lot of people will not do. Not got a problem with this. The problem I do have is how can our hospitals, schools and other services cope with this. This country is billions in debt with cuts on the way, so like I say how can we cope?

 

[Danny-Boy]

Germany allowed Turks to come and do all the shitty jobs that their nationals didn't want to do , similar to us bringing in workers from the West Indies.

This is true the player Oezil is actually about third generation Turkish in Germany.

In 1984 I worked in Germany alongside Turks or Turks who had been born in Germany. There wre many interesting culture clashes between them and the locals.

They were always getting into fights in discos as they went with local girls, but marriages were often "arranged" with girls born and brought up in Turkey, as local Turkish-blooded girls were thought to be "corrupted" by western influences.
They usually drank, didn't worship Islam dedicatedly, but were far from "our" kind of European.

Only last Saturday I took a bus into Brighton and got talking to three Turkish girl studnts, here to improve their English. They were pleased about life in Brighton, said everyone was friendly. They obviously considered themselves European in outlook.

BUT if you look at the physical position of Turkey, with its borders with Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran and I think Azerbaijan, all hotbeds of fundamental Islam, and the topography of the border, compared with that on the European side with Bulgaria and Greece (which is short, relatively flat, and in a large part a river boundary), how on earth could you prevent illegal immigration?

 

[manilaseagull]

I don't doubt that if Turkey joined the EU, there would be Turks coming to the UK. I don't think there'll be millions though and I do think that more would go to Germany



I've no idea, you were the one who brought up Poles in Germany, not me. You made the post at 9.39 and just 45 minutes later, you'd forgotten making it - now, that's some short-term memory loss.

Mate...I have A level Geography and know that most ( if coming by road) Poles would have to drive through Germany ( as they are neighbors)

So why did they ALL not stop off in Germany where work is easier and better paid?

It is because of the soft money for free Govt we had a few years ago,

I hope that the tories lay down some rules, or I do fear for the amount of Immigration from Turkey.

Immigration is good if it is controlled but not a free for all touch base policy, (like Hong Kong many years ago)

The Germans are reported on the news today as thinking about laying down controls as they DO fear for a Turkish invasion ( and they already have 4 million there)

 

[ROKERITE]

Oh for God's sake. The immigration scaremongering. Brilliantly tedious of you.

Not brilliantly tedious, just simply correct. This is a grossly overpopulated country. We need a gradual reduction in our numbers, yet our population is rising. What GB most certainly does not need is a further wave of mass immigration.

 

[Brightonfan1983]

Not brilliantly tedious, just simply correct. This is a grossly overpopulated country. We need a gradual reduction in our numbers, yet our population is rising. What GB most certainly does not need is a further wave of mass immigration.

Who on earth, apart from you, says that this mass immigration is going to happen?

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Unemployment in Turkey is 12% and falling
Turkey's unemployment rate drops in April [ WORLD BULLETIN- TURKEY NEWS, WORLD NEWS ]

I don't doubt that many Turks would welcome a chance to live in Europe. I doubt that it's millions though and I doubt whether the UK would be top choice. They'd earn more money in Germany and work shorter hours too.

And what reputation for good money for doing little? Britain has a reputation for long hours, seemingly backed up by research
Britons work longest in Europe | This is Money

For one who uses the name, Ibrahim, you know very little about Turkey today. Most Turks who have moved to the UK in the last few years have either been 'brain drain' professionals or second/third generation immigrants. Right now, the Turkish lira is much stronger than the pound (two years ago, in Turkey, the piuns was at 2.5 lira, now just balncing above 2) and Turks are agreeing with Poles and thinking twice of coming to the UK. As for Turkish communities in Germany you really are having a laugh. The German-Turkish community is serriously entrenched, just as the West Indian community is entrenched and it only the equivalent of rednecks who now have problems with Turks.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

This is true the player Oezil is actually about third generation Turkish in Germany.

In 1984 I worked in Germany alongside Turks or Turks who had been born in Germany. There wre many interesting culture clashes between them and the locals.

They were always getting into fights in discos as they went with local girls, but marriages were often "arranged" with girls born and brought up in Turkey, as local Turkish-blooded girls were thought to be "corrupted" by western influences.
They usually drank, didn't worship Islam dedicatedly, but were far from "our" kind of European.

Only last Saturday I took a bus into Brighton and got talking to three Turkish girl studnts, here to improve their English. They were pleased about life in Brighton, said everyone was friendly. They obviously considered themselves European in outlook.

BUT if you look at the physical position of Turkey, with its borders with Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran and I think Azerbaijan, all hotbeds of fundamental Islam, and the topography of the border, compared with that on the European side with Bulgaria and Greece (which is short, relatively flat, and in a large part a river boundary), how on earth could you prevent illegal immigration?

To bring you up to date, despite its mounbtain ranges Turkey has a very strong record on protecting its borders due to its strong military commitement. That is both a good thing and a bad thing and also touches on its human rights porblems. Every few days we go down from our holiday house down to the enarest resort for a night out and after nine pm there is always a troop of jandarma on that road checking IDs, looking for illegal immigrants along the coast. As I dont have my opassport with me I am taking a big risk.... luckily they dont check cars with kids squabbling in the back.

 

[Nappy thrower]

Who on earth, apart from you, says that this mass immigration is going to happen?

Labour said 13,000 Poles would arrive in the UK,try 1 million. Of course it will happen.It's bloody obvious.

 

[Biscuit]

What the hell is the point of the EU? Can't we still trade and have good relations with Europe and not be a part of it?

 

[Strike]

This will sound strange coming from someone who is not a big fan of EU or Cameron. But I think Cameron made the right choice. Its not wise to say to a country that could be a key ally, they could join something and then be against.

Turkey was a key ally in the Cold War and could be in the fight against Jihadism (despite the Iran thing), although like others I am a little concerned although not seriously about whether our services would cope with a possible influx (hopefully it is controlled).

I agree they would more likely side with us on Europe issues than France/ Germany maybe reducing the dreaded Federal/ Superstate element (knowing a few Turks who like some of us in the UK concerned about their soveriegnity if they go into EU). I think more positives in general as Sully says.

 

[looney]

English is the global langauge, they will come here in droves from anywhere. An open borders policy is stupid, unsustainable and suicidal as it is.;

Funny how its the left who start parroting there love of the free market when it comes to dusky skinned fellows coming here.

The jobs that no one else will do is a myth.

 

[Biscuit]

What the hell is the point of the EU? Can't we still trade and have good relations with Europe and not be a part of it?

come on brainiacs, into my politcis but Europe is something I know very little about..

 

[Giraffe]

Labour said 13,000 Poles would arrive in the UK,try 1 million. Of course it will happen.It's bloody obvious.

 

[Pavilionaire]

All things being equal I've have Turkey in but the fact they have borders with so many unstable Islamic countries means it would just be unworkable.

I also fear for the Turks themselves, as 'jumping into bed with the West' could have all sorts of terrorist repercussions.

Good idea, but the time's not right.

 

[keaton]

Labour said 13,000 Poles would arrive in the UK,try 1 million. Of course it will happen.It's bloody obvious.

There's only half a million Poles in the UK meaning we had a population of minus 500,000 Poles before they joined the EU.

 

[Gully]

The jobs that no one else will do is a myth.

The trouble is that we have a falling birth rate, we are not replacing those who die at a fast enough rate, the population is also ageing. By the time I am in my dotage, as a single person with no family, who will be there to care for me when I can't care for myself. Those are the jobs that nobody else will do, it is highly likely that I will have to pay an immigrant rather than someone who was born here.

I have robbed the following statistics, rather than making them up myself, but have no reason to doubt their authenticity:

In 2008 the UK's total fertility rate (TFR) was 1.96 children per woman, below the replacement rate of 2.10. In 2001, the TFR was at a record low of 1.63, but it has increased each year since. The TFR was considerably higher during the 1960s 'baby boom', peaking at 2.95 children per woman in 1964. .

The TFR for British residents also varies by country of birth. In England and Wales in 1996, people born in the UK had a TFR of 1.67, India 2.21 and Pakistan and Bangladesh 4.90, for example.

Most of the increase in overall fertility in England and Wales can be attributed to rising fertility among UK born women, who make up the majority of the female population of childbearing age (85 per cent in 2007). According to new estimates, the TFR for women born in the UK has risen substantially, from 1.68 in 2004 to 1.79 in 2007.

So, immigration is necessary as...to put it bluntly...the British aren't making enough babies!

 

[ROKERITE]

The trouble is that we have a falling birth rate, we are not replacing those who die at a fast enough rate, the population is also ageing. By the time I am in my dotage, as a single person with no family, who will be there to care for me when I can't care for myself. Those are the jobs that nobody else will do, it is highly likely that I will have to pay an immigrant rather than someone who was born here.

I have robbed the following statistics, rather than making them up myself, but have no reason to doubt their authenticity:

In 2008 the UK's total fertility rate (TFR) was 1.96 children per woman, below the replacement rate of 2.10. In 2001, the TFR was at a record low of 1.63, but it has increased each year since. The TFR was considerably higher during the 1960s 'baby boom', peaking at 2.95 children per woman in 1964. .

The TFR for British residents also varies by country of birth. In England and Wales in 1996, people born in the UK had a TFR of 1.67, India 2.21 and Pakistan and Bangladesh 4.90, for example.

Most of the increase in overall fertility in England and Wales can be attributed to rising fertility among UK born women, who make up the majority of the female population of childbearing age (85 per cent in 2007). According to new estimates, the TFR for women born in the UK has risen substantially, from 1.68 in 2004 to 1.79 in 2007.

So, immigration is necessary as...to put it bluntly...the British aren't making enough babies!

I could not disagree more strongly than I do with your last sentence. Overpopulation is THE greatest problem facing this planet and our country. The British are making too many babies. Our birth rate is rising; a report published recently predicted we could have the highest population in Western Europe by 2050, 25% higher than it is today. I think the sixty million people in GB today is far too high a number. A gradual, natural reduction in our population should be our goal.
I've made quite clear since I joined this board, my contempt and dislike for the "greens". Apart from the fact that I believe them to be reds in green clothing, I find their constant banging on about trifling things while failing to put population concern at the top of the agenda absurd.
You should take a bow, as should any childless person, for making the ultimate contribution to saving our planet. I believe anyone reaching the age of fifty, without breeding, should receive a medal and financial reward. This could be paid for by stopping Child Benefits and all child related benefits for other than the first two children born to any woman. It is sheer madness to be rewarding people for damaging our country and our world.

 

[bhaexpress]

I'd have a lot more time for Turkey when is was prepared to admit the genocide against the Armenian people in the early 1900s. The fact that there is plenty of evidence of this crime and the Turks go out of their way to deny it shows that they should not be in Europe. We don't need lepers.