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Defund the BBC.
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Pretty pink fairy
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Killing Eve’s brilliant. Sandra Oh, Kim Bodnia andJodie Comer
Thank you Beeb.
Finally got round to watching this in full over the last few weeks, agreed wholeheartedly
Randy McNob
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How do you know that
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DF
you watch match of the day?
since we're on the subject who remembers when ITV did Match of the day for a few years? it was rubbish, put it on at 6PM and was generally substandard
Beeb's football coverage is 1st class
Pretty pink fairy
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No I gave that up a while back what with big ears and his mates waffling on at a cost to the TV licence fee payers
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If you have some sense of pride and like to pay your own way spend £159 on a licence. If you want to scrounge a living off of those who work and pay their way, and spend your while life trying to get everything you can for free, then don't
And, if you're really special, then boast about it on NSC
GrizzlingGammon
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How do you know that
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DF
You post links to the BBC's website and as you are so anti BBC, and clearly a man of your word, you don't pay.
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Joe 90
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So good to have TMS back covering the Ashes overnight, worth the licence fee entirely on it's own IMHO
Pretty pink fairy
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Special mention to Watford bloke and GG
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DF
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Pretty pink fairy
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DON'T DEFUND THE BBC
MARIANA MAZZUCATO
Understanding the BBC’s contributions to the British economy and society – and the concept of public value more broadly – requires a new conceptual framework. Rather than viewing public institutions' role as being limited to fixing market failures, organizational structures like the BBC are also market shapers.
LONDON – In last year’s*Reith Lectures*– the BBC’s annual radio series – former Bank of England Governor Mark Carney observes that, since the 2008 financial crisis, norms and institutions have increasingly been defined by their monetary value. What is often missing from this discussion of*price being confused with value, is how to capture the real worth of the public institutions that enrich us.
It is fitting that Carney makes this point on a BBC program. After all, the BBC was the first public broadcaster to incorporate the notion of “public value” into its governance framework. The British Broadcasting Corporation has become, alongside the National Health Service and The Open University, one of the United Kingdom’s most beloved, globally renowned institutions, reaching an audience of around 460 million each week.
Yet a vocal minority (often led by Rupert Murdoch-owned publications) wants to see the broadcaster destroyed. They decry the BBC’s commitment to inclusion and diversity as political correctness and they accuse it of “crowding out” private media companies, owing to the scale and scope of its services. In their view it is up to the private sector to create value; the state should focus only on filling the missing gaps and fixing what economists call “market failures.”
For these critics, the solution is simple:*defund the BBC. This would mean decriminalizing non-payment of the mandatory annual license fee that funds it. A BBC reliant on a subscription model, though, has a far more tenuous future, which may be what the BBC’s opponents want, given that Murdoch now is seeking to*build a UK version*of his far-right Fox News in the United States.
The UK would be at a loss with a weakened or destroyed BBC, as shown in a*new report*by my co-authors and me. Its value extends beyond the traditional public broadcaster mandate of providing universal access to objective news, credible programs, and the arts, which confines the*Public Broadcasting Service*in the US. The BBC has been groundbreaking also on commercial formats, thereby creating new business opportunities –*crowding in*(not out) business – while also achieving important social goals, like bringing diversity to the screen.*
How the BBC has achieved this requires reviving our understanding of the state as a*collective creator of value, not just as a market fixer. Acting simultaneously as an*investor, inventor, innovator, and consumer platform, the broadcaster has played an integral role in the development of the UK’s infrastructure for digital and media innovation over the last century.
From early radio broadcasts to today’s online streaming platforms, the BBC’s investments have repeatedly catalysed new markets across creative industries. The BBC is the single largest investor in original British content. Its creative force takes on programming risks. The sales of its original content worldwide help it to earn significant income whilst simultaneously showcasing British talent and attracting top foreign talent. All of these activities shape markets everywhere. Such income is then further devoted to developing, producing, and delivering content.
Beyond programming, the BBC has developed innovative technologies, like the iPlayer and BBC Sounds, thereby establishing technology standards for the media industry (such as DAB for radio and DVB-T2 for video), and creating economies of scale for electronics manufacturers. BBC research and innovation contribute to the development of a safer and more sustainable internet environment, through collaborative initiatives such as the*Digital Futures Commission*aimed to unlock digital innovation in the interests of children and young people, and the Databox project, which sets high industry standards in data management and privacy.
Crucially, the BBC’s investments have often been driven more by social values than financial value. The BBC Micro, a micro-computer system that found its way into every British classroom, has helped to reduce the digital divide. The Micro emerged from a technology-education program, the BBC Computer Literacy Project, in the 1980s. To facilitate that project, the BBC had to work with Acorn Computers, which used the BBC’s investment to scale up considerably. The BBC’s social mission in turn created industry value.
Even the BBC’s most basic role – creating and distributing content – offers far-reaching social benefits. During the pandemic, with people confined to their homes, the BBC has offered three hours of educational and entertaining content every day. Further, the public trust placed in the BBC, and its reach, counters trends in misinformation, whether on climate change or COVID-19 vaccines. Maintaining the BBC’s reach, which is a function of its funding, ensures its position in a crowded media market as a legitimate, widely trusted source. And the “wokeness” that critics condemn – which includes, for example, giving female sports presenters a platform – contributes to a cultural climate of greater inclusiveness and tolerance.
While the BBC’s “dynamic public value” is difficult to measure, we do know that for*every dollar*from the public budget invested in cultural production, the economy grows by an average of $5. In the auto industry, the multiplier effect is only half as large, not only because it is less labor-intensive, but also because it does not spur nearly as much new investment in other services, technologies, and materials. Again, even though the BBC does not focus on financial value, it creates and spurs it very effectively.
Understanding the BBC’s economy-wide contributions – and the concept of public value more broadly – requires a new framework. The task is to develop metrics that enhance the BBC’s own accountability – making sure it pushes the frontier of markets and increases the necessary diversity of both programming and the array of suppliers affiliated with it. We need to rethink traditional performance indicators, which focus on static costs and benefits, rather than the dynamic effects of market-shaping investment decisions. This needs to happen urgently, before a valued institution is destroyed.
And the lessons go beyond the BBC. Only by*rethinking public value generation*can we move on from debates about*whether*to fund public institutions to discussions about*how*to structure and use these institutions to strengthen our social fabric and build a more creative economy. The BBC is a great place to start this discussion. The lessons we can learn address the key questions: How and why do we value our public institutions, and how can we strengthen them, rather than constantly questioning their very existence?
MARIANA MAZZUCATO
Understanding the BBC’s contributions to the British economy and society – and the concept of public value more broadly – requires a new conceptual framework. Rather than viewing public institutions' role as being limited to fixing market failures, organizational structures like the BBC are also market shapers.
LONDON – In last year’s*Reith Lectures*– the BBC’s annual radio series – former Bank of England Governor Mark Carney observes that, since the 2008 financial crisis, norms and institutions have increasingly been defined by their monetary value. What is often missing from this discussion of*price being confused with value, is how to capture the real worth of the public institutions that enrich us.
It is fitting that Carney makes this point on a BBC program. After all, the BBC was the first public broadcaster to incorporate the notion of “public value” into its governance framework. The British Broadcasting Corporation has become, alongside the National Health Service and The Open University, one of the United Kingdom’s most beloved, globally renowned institutions, reaching an audience of around 460 million each week.
Yet a vocal minority (often led by Rupert Murdoch-owned publications) wants to see the broadcaster destroyed. They decry the BBC’s commitment to inclusion and diversity as political correctness and they accuse it of “crowding out” private media companies, owing to the scale and scope of its services. In their view it is up to the private sector to create value; the state should focus only on filling the missing gaps and fixing what economists call “market failures.”
For these critics, the solution is simple:*defund the BBC. This would mean decriminalizing non-payment of the mandatory annual license fee that funds it. A BBC reliant on a subscription model, though, has a far more tenuous future, which may be what the BBC’s opponents want, given that Murdoch now is seeking to*build a UK version*of his far-right Fox News in the United States.
The UK would be at a loss with a weakened or destroyed BBC, as shown in a*new report*by my co-authors and me. Its value extends beyond the traditional public broadcaster mandate of providing universal access to objective news, credible programs, and the arts, which confines the*Public Broadcasting Service*in the US. The BBC has been groundbreaking also on commercial formats, thereby creating new business opportunities –*crowding in*(not out) business – while also achieving important social goals, like bringing diversity to the screen.*
How the BBC has achieved this requires reviving our understanding of the state as a*collective creator of value, not just as a market fixer. Acting simultaneously as an*investor, inventor, innovator, and consumer platform, the broadcaster has played an integral role in the development of the UK’s infrastructure for digital and media innovation over the last century.
From early radio broadcasts to today’s online streaming platforms, the BBC’s investments have repeatedly catalysed new markets across creative industries. The BBC is the single largest investor in original British content. Its creative force takes on programming risks. The sales of its original content worldwide help it to earn significant income whilst simultaneously showcasing British talent and attracting top foreign talent. All of these activities shape markets everywhere. Such income is then further devoted to developing, producing, and delivering content.
Beyond programming, the BBC has developed innovative technologies, like the iPlayer and BBC Sounds, thereby establishing technology standards for the media industry (such as DAB for radio and DVB-T2 for video), and creating economies of scale for electronics manufacturers. BBC research and innovation contribute to the development of a safer and more sustainable internet environment, through collaborative initiatives such as the*Digital Futures Commission*aimed to unlock digital innovation in the interests of children and young people, and the Databox project, which sets high industry standards in data management and privacy.
Crucially, the BBC’s investments have often been driven more by social values than financial value. The BBC Micro, a micro-computer system that found its way into every British classroom, has helped to reduce the digital divide. The Micro emerged from a technology-education program, the BBC Computer Literacy Project, in the 1980s. To facilitate that project, the BBC had to work with Acorn Computers, which used the BBC’s investment to scale up considerably. The BBC’s social mission in turn created industry value.
Even the BBC’s most basic role – creating and distributing content – offers far-reaching social benefits. During the pandemic, with people confined to their homes, the BBC has offered three hours of educational and entertaining content every day. Further, the public trust placed in the BBC, and its reach, counters trends in misinformation, whether on climate change or COVID-19 vaccines. Maintaining the BBC’s reach, which is a function of its funding, ensures its position in a crowded media market as a legitimate, widely trusted source. And the “wokeness” that critics condemn – which includes, for example, giving female sports presenters a platform – contributes to a cultural climate of greater inclusiveness and tolerance.
While the BBC’s “dynamic public value” is difficult to measure, we do know that for*every dollar*from the public budget invested in cultural production, the economy grows by an average of $5. In the auto industry, the multiplier effect is only half as large, not only because it is less labor-intensive, but also because it does not spur nearly as much new investment in other services, technologies, and materials. Again, even though the BBC does not focus on financial value, it creates and spurs it very effectively.
Understanding the BBC’s economy-wide contributions – and the concept of public value more broadly – requires a new framework. The task is to develop metrics that enhance the BBC’s own accountability – making sure it pushes the frontier of markets and increases the necessary diversity of both programming and the array of suppliers affiliated with it. We need to rethink traditional performance indicators, which focus on static costs and benefits, rather than the dynamic effects of market-shaping investment decisions. This needs to happen urgently, before a valued institution is destroyed.
And the lessons go beyond the BBC. Only by*rethinking public value generation*can we move on from debates about*whether*to fund public institutions to discussions about*how*to structure and use these institutions to strengthen our social fabric and build a more creative economy. The BBC is a great place to start this discussion. The lessons we can learn address the key questions: How and why do we value our public institutions, and how can we strengthen them, rather than constantly questioning their very existence?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...r-confesses-taking-clothes-murdered-girl.html
Disgraced former BBC reporter Martin Bashir finally confesses to taking the clothes of murdered nine-year-old school girl Karen Hadaway - 17 years after swearing he couldn't remember doing so
Disgraced former BBC reporter Martin Bashir finally confesses to taking the clothes of murdered nine-year-old school girl Karen Hadaway - 17 years after swearing he couldn't remember doing so
Yep, close, impartial scrutiny of the mendacious Mail's articles is definitely always necessary; but there is no doubt that Martin Bashir was a thoroughly debased person... and of course there were several others.
Still not sure what point you are making though - it isn't explicit.
You just referenced a Daily Mail link to a story about vile journalistic behaviour. There was quite a lot of it going on at the time you may remember - for instance, The News of The World was forced to fold as a result of some of it......but Murdoch's other news outlets go marching on in spite of their appalling practice in getting/creating 'popular' news items.
I hesitate to break this to you, but the Mail is not exactly squeaky clean either - yet they always like to try and seize the 'moral high ground' on matters relating to the BBC..... their readership demands it.
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Randy McNob
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Defund the BBC, can't have the national broadcaster exposing the truth about a corrupt PM
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Sorry what pardon………..James O Brien and the truth?
https://brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/the-undead-james-obrien-or-why-shame
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear…………
- Jan 18, 2009
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James, can’t be trusted to cut cheese…….even Tom Watson managed that.
https://pressgazette.co.uk/tom-wato...e-probe-and-accepts-mistakes-over-carl-beech/
The irony of Tom searching out child abusers whilst rubbing shoulders with Harman, Dromny and Hewitt is laughable. I will look forward to seeing how his anti gambling crusade cuts through……
Randy McNob
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Not quite sure the point you're trying to make here with your 15 month old article? that JOB doctored a daily mail front page?