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Death Sentence for Bali Bomber??



CHAPPERS

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Jul 5, 2003
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One of the chief suspects accused of carrying out last year's Bali bombing has been found guilty and sentenced to death.
Amrozi bin Nurhasyim was accused of conspiring, planning and carrying out an act of terrorism, which killed more than 200 people.

He smiled when the guilty verdict was read out and turned around to the courtroom and gave the thumbs-up sign when the judge handed down the death sentence.

Chief judge I Made Karna said: "Amrozi has been legally and convincingly proven guilty of terrorism. We hereby hand down the death sentence.

The BBC's Rachel Harvey, who was in court, said the judge announced his verdict in a strong, clear voice.

But his final words were almost drowned out by cheers and applause from the relatives and survivors of the Bali bombings who have waited for this moment for months, our correspondent says.

Amrozi faces death by firing squad, but it could be some time before the sentence is carried out.

DEATH PENALTY FOR BOMBER

Carried out by 14-man firing squad
Only one round is live
Sentence can be appealed
Appeals can take five years


Amrozi profile
In Pictures: Brought to trial
Amrozi's lawyer, Wirawan Adnan, said: "We are going to appeal first thing tomorrow morning".

He said Amrozi was sorry for the deaths of those people who were not targets.

"He doesn't have anything personal against the Australians, for instance. The targets were the Americans and the Jews."

The Australian Prime Minister John Howard welcomed the guilty verdict and said his government would not appeal for Indonesia to commute the death sentence.

"Most of all I hope that this verdict provides some sense of comfort to those who lost their loved ones in this tragedy and that they feel in some way that justice has been done," Mr Howard said.

Police said Amrozi, one of three brothers arrested in connection with the Bali operation, had admitted buying the explosives and the minivan used in last October's blast.

But the 41-year-old mechanic has denied that the attack was the work of the regional militant Muslim group, Jemaah Islamiah (JI), which has been linked to Osama Bin Laden's al-Qaeda network.

Five judges heard from more than 40 witnesses during Amrozi's trial, including survivors of the attack.

The Australian press nicknamed him the "smiling bomber" after he appeared laughing before television crews following his arrest last year.

'Happy to die'

The other key suspects in the case are on trial separately.

I hope that this verdict provides some sense of comfort to those who lost their loved ones in this tragedy

John Howard
Australian PM


Australia relieved at verdict
UK families welcome sentence
During his trial, which began in May, Amrozi said the Bali bombings had "positive aspects" because they encouraged people to re-embrace religion and weakened the corrupting influence of foreign tourists.

Amrozi has said he is not worried at the prospect of a possible death sentence.

"I'll be happy to die a martyr," he said recently. "After me there will be a million more Amrozis."

The two bombs, which ripped through a busy nightclub area in the island's popular Kuta district on 12 October last year, killed mostly foreign tourists.

Australia suffered the greatest number of casualties, with 88 Australian nationals losing their lives.

Thirty-eight Indonesians, 23 Britons, nine Swedes, seven Americans, six Germans and four Dutch nationals were also killed.

In all, citizens from 21 countries died in the blasts.

Security was tight around the court where Amrozi's trial took place.

About 300 armed police officers and 250 local guards, carrying traditional curved daggers, were posted around the court, reports said.



Personally i wouldn't have given him the satisfaction of the deat penalty, its what he wanted. I'd rather he lived with what he'd done in solitary confinement for the next 50 years.



It got me to wondering...

Should laws be bent for such people that want to be martyred or would that be giving in to their wishes of 'changing the world'?
 




bhaexpress

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Jul 7, 2003
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The guy is a moslem and no doubt, like the 911 terrorists thinks he's got 71 virgins waiting for him on the other side. (I always what's in store for female terrorrists ....)

We British had a far better way of dealing with terrorists though. We used to tie them to the muzzle of a cannon and literally blow them to pieces thus they could not enter the realm of Allah as they were no longer 'whole'.

I agrree with CTS however, the death penalty will make him a martyr.
 


tedebear

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Jul 7, 2003
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I'm not sure how to feel about this one at all...

On the one hand this guy is pleased with himself for ruining the lives of the 214 families... this creature doesn't deserve to walk the planet with the rest of us who settle our disputes in far less horrifying ways - well most of us....

However how can an eye for an eye ever work - if we as a population take his life isn't that just a) like you say Chappers - making him a maytr and b) just doing exactly what he did - which is what we are supposed to be preventing....

I guess I would prefer to see him rot in a stinking prison for the rest of his life - but then I'm sure some prision rights campaigners would make sure he has more home comforts than a lot of us do in our normal lives....

The fact that they were Australian, young and predominantly on school/ university holidays is sad, and it but makes no difference - they were human...
 


Stumpy Tim

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tedebear said:
I'm not sure how to feel about this one at all...

However how can an eye for an eye ever work - if we as a population take his life isn't that just a) like you say Chappers - making him a maytr and b) just doing exactly what he did - which is what we are supposed to be preventing....


We get daily updates of the court case over here. This bloke is an utter disgrace - I'm against the death penalty, but he is laughing at the families during the court case & chanting God is Great throughout. I would crucify him personally
 


tedebear

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Yes Stumpy Mum was telling me this morning on the phone - thats why I'm teetering between thoughts at the moment - I can't believe someone can be so evil....its not worth having people on the planet like that...moral dilemma...
 




dwayne

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Jul 5, 2003
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He's not evil just misguided and thick, for goodness sakes some of these idiots need to check their Koran's closer, he's going to hell.
 


CHAPPERS

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Jul 5, 2003
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dwayne said:
He's not evil just misguided and thick, for goodness sakes some of these idiots need to check their Koran's closer, he's going to hell.

How does that make any sense?
 


dwayne

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Jul 5, 2003
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He belives that he is doing the right thing.
He's not.
He's misguided.
It's not rocket science.
ok maybe it is for a ......
What part don't you understand?
 




CHAPPERS

DISCO SPENG
Jul 5, 2003
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I just don't get the bit where you said he's going to hell when in his mind he is carrying out gods word and therefore going somewhere entirely different.

I also think you're letting him off a bit lightly but saying 'He's not evil, just misguided and thick'.
 


tedebear

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dwayne said:
He's not evil just misguided and thick, for goodness sakes some of these idiots need to check their Koran's closer, he's going to hell.

I guess I'll have to disagree Dwayne - whatever his belief system to laugh at masses of people being brutally slain at your own hand is evil in my book...
 


dwayne

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Jul 5, 2003
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"misguided" and "need to check to check their Korans closer" may suggest why as a catholic I think he's going to hell and why many muslims think he's going to hell.

For goodness sakes it's probably better you don't speak on threads you don't understand Chapmans:angry:
 




tedebear

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oooh a religious debate :)

I guess the thing to think about is that there are quite a few non-religous people in the world - people who believe that justice after death is not valid....so retribution in this life is the only form of justice...

Its not easy for people to simply say he'll get whats coming to him when he passes away....simply doesn't work for some people
 




tedebear

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Fair dues - religion isn't an easy discussion as people believe what they believe and sometimes can't explain why....
 




CHAPPERS

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Jul 5, 2003
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I don't understand religion but had no idea that you were catholic which is why i queried what you said.
All i think is that in HIS mind and many other muslims who have a WARPED view of the teachings of the Koran he is becoming a martyr.

Sorry if i sound thick like but religion to me makes no sense whatsoever.
 


CAFC Matt

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Jul 27, 2003
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I agree wiht Dwayne on this one as he was misguided because he thought he was doing what was right, what his religion was telling him to do. However this wrong and he has to be punished but not made a matyr.
 


dwayne

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Jul 5, 2003
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I wouldn't say MANY muslims believe this, just a few nutcases. The majority of Muslims are fine, hardworking, moralistic, pleasant people...no matter what the far right believe.
 


He needs to welcome death with more fervour.

I would stick rusty pins into his bollocks, then slowly lower him into acid hung by heated clamps on his fingernails .

Just before his legs were totally burned away by the acid, I would tie him over a barrel to be anally raped by a gorrilla, then do that burying in sand thing, with the honey over the head near an ant's nest.

He would beg for death if NMH got his way.
:flameboun
 




Blackadder

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Jul 6, 2003
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ChapmansThe Saviour said:

DEATH PENALTY FOR BOMBER

Carried out by 14-man firing squad
Only one round is live
Sentence can be appealed
Appeals can take five years



Only one round is live?

I always thought it was one round that was blank. That way no one could be sure if they fired the fatal shot.

The guy with the live round would have to be very accurate with his shot!
 


Reading Posh

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Jul 8, 2003
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Reminds me of that tale...

A criminal is about to die. His executioner says "you can make one last statement, if you tell the truth we'll shoot you, if you lie we'll hang you."

Criminal "I'm going to be hanged."
 


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