Death Sentance

[highway61]

That's left me quite speechless.

Against it for me. Too many miscarriages of justice, too much "capital punishment for terrorists and child killers but not for others" etc etc.

Life should mean life....hard labour, no human rights and no chance of getting out.

i can go along with the life meaning life. my daughters murderer recieved minimum of 18 years, he will be 45 when released.

 

[withdeanwombat]

Certainly not.Not even in a slanted poll like this one.

 

[Gerbil]

This has got binfest written all over it.
For certain crimes, yes i think it should come back, IF it could be 100% proven

 

[Dave the OAP]

No, nothing can justify state sponsored executions.

 

[bhaexpress]

I doubt very much that a potential murderer thinks about the sentence they will get before deciding to commit murder.

Put yourself in the position of being that innocent person found gulity. Think how you would feel as they took you from your cell ................

The Americans have shown repeatedly that the death penalty is no deterrent. So many murders are committed in the heat of the moment but there are some, Rose and Fred West for example, where guilt is beyond doubt. Frankly why should Rose West be allowed to live ?

 

[The Wizard]

No, nothing can justify state sponsored executions.

I'll give you this scenario, man goes to a nursery, guns down all the children, should he be allowed to live even though he has taken the lives of innocent children? And don't give me the shite about how he should have to stew about it in prison, because he will be to busy playing his f***ing play station.

Anyway...I thought this would turn into a binfest. And it is bubbling very nicely at the moment. Who will boil it over?

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

No, for two reasons.

Firstly I don't believe anyone has the right to take someone else's life and secondly,as has been said, there have been too many miscarraiges of justice to make it viable.

I detest murderers, rapists, peodo's etc but to kill could easily put us in the same bracket as them; we don't have the right to take life.

 

[Gerbil]

I'll give you this scenario, man goes to a nursery, guns down all the children, should he be allowed to live even though he has taken the lives of innocent children? And don't give me the shite about how he should have to stew about it in prison, because he will be to busy playing his f***ing play station.

Anyway...I thought this would turn into a binfest. And it is bubbling very nicely at the moment. Who will boil it over?

You left out the fact that WE would be paying for him.

 

[drew]

Government could loan it? Most people have houses that can be claimed and sold by the government to pay for the time in prison as well. We do it with the elderly why not criminals too?

Have to say that I can't actually see that you have tried to apply any common sense to any of your postings on this thread. Each one seems to be a knee jerk response to anynbodies valid argument invalidating your previous post.

 

[brakespear]

No, for two reasons.

Firstly I don't believe anyone has the right to take someone else's life and secondly,as has been said, there have been too many miscarraiges of justice to make it viable.

I detest murderers, rapists, peodo's etc but to kill could easily put us in the same bracket as them; we don't have the right to take life.

This, and no, Wizard, it doesn't matter who they've killed.

 

[beorhthelm]

id rather substantial sentances for violence, hard labour brought back as part of sentancing and life meaning minimum 30 years.

 

[Dave the OAP]

I'll give you this scenario, man goes to a nursery, guns down all the children, should he be allowed to live even though he has taken the lives of innocent children? And don't give me the shite about how he should have to stew about it in prison, because he will be to busy playing his f***ing play station.

Anyway...I thought this would turn into a binfest. And it is bubbling very nicely at the moment. Who will boil it over?

Ok, show me one country where the death penalty either has worked, ie cut down crime, or reduced the crime rate.

For someone so young, I would have thought you would have read your history books.

 

[Dave the OAP]

id rather substantial sentances for violence, hard labour brought back as part of sentancing and life meaning minimum 30 years.

I think life should mean life....that is a more just way.

 

[Meade's Ball]

I suppose one of the quandaries of it is whether you yourself could pull that trigger or flick that switch to terminate someone you thought deserved it, or the state decided did. To say "yes" to a return to the death sentence would have to have that sense of responsibility behind it, to know the potential of that decision.
I wouldn't feel sad in the slightest for someone like Fritzl to pass away or hang himself, feeling it much-deserved in whichever way, but i could never slit his throat or burn him at the stake. Not everything in life is about hiring someone to do a job you couldn't do.

 

[pasty]

No, for two reasons.

Firstly I don't believe anyone has the right to take someone else's life and secondly,as has been said, there have been too many miscarraiges of justice to make it viable.

I detest murderers, rapists, peodo's etc but to kill could easily put us in the same bracket as them; we don't have the right to take life.

This.

 

[Norman Potting]

These threads always end up the same so I am going to avoid getting dragged in on this occasion, BUT...whilst the deterrent concept is completely unmeasurable, the murder rate in countries such as the USA suggest that its not necessarily true.

Surely someone, somewhere must have compared the murder rate per '000 population in countries with the death penalty against those without? Do we want the death penalty as a perceived genuine deterrent or just to make society and the D***Y M**L feel in someway good about themselves as having got "revenge".

 

[Barrel of Fun]

QUOTE=the hitman;3508405]a murderer would think twice if they knew that it is likely to result in death for them, meaning less innocent people getting murdered in the first place[/QUOTE]

Impossible to say. Do you think murderers have that in mind when they commit their crimes?

Where does one stop when it comes to capital punishment? Who do you think should be put to death?

 

[bhaexpress]

Ok, show me one country where the death penalty either has worked, ie cut down crime, or reduced the crime rate.

For someone so young, I would have thought you would have read your history books.

The death penalty in no deterrent that's been proved in this country and elsewhere but there are some people who have no redeeming qualities. Also there is one crime where we still have the death penalty in this country, treason.

 

[sammy g]

I always believe, as has been previously mentioned, no one has the right to take someone's life and the state who is acting on behalf of the people has a duty to carry this out by showing the perpetrators of hideous crimes no matter who the victim is, that we won't sink to their level.
Yes, justice needs to be seen to carried out, but that justice should mean a significant jail sentence.
During the lifetime of that sentence offenders should be doing two things, paying for their crime by undertaking work that benefits the community or individuals they harmed and undergoing a rehabilitation process, so should they be released they do not commit such crimes again.

 

[User removed 4]

The Americans have shown repeatedly that the death penalty is no deterrent.

How has this been shown ? All that has ben highlighted are the people who weren't deterred, how do you measure the figure for people who were deterred ? people have tried comparing figures of death penalty/non death penalty states but the non death penalty states had different socio-economic circumstances which led to a lower overall crime rate. For the record i'm pro death penalty in theory , but in practice there have been too many miscarriages of justice for it to work in practice.