Death by Dangerous Driving

[RM-Taylor]

What is the likely sentence for this

Just enquiring like as one of my best mates, the driver of the Silver Mazda, caused this:

http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk/disp...me=yes&more_nodeId1=151458&contentPK=18806823

I'm in a deep state of shock here

 

[Grendel]

Depending on the circumstances, up to a maximum of 14 years behind bars if convicted, plus mandatory loss of license for two years, penalty points and an extended driving test to get his license back.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

That Lee Hughes only served 3 years for that or something similar didnt he?

 

[Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!]

What is the likely sentence for this

Just enquiring like as one of my best mates, the driver of the Silver Mazda, caused this:

http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk/disp...me=yes&more_nodeId1=151458&contentPK=18806823

I'm in a deep state of shock here

I think that if you're convicted of causing death by dangerous driving then a custodial sentence is a distinct possibility - not sure if it's mandatory though.
If you're convicted of causing death by careless driving then I don't think custody (ie prison) is a sentence option for the court. There was the usual wailing and knashing of teeth on NSC a few weeks back when some boxer was found not guilty of 'dangerous' but guilty of 'careless' so didn't go to prison.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

There is no offence of causing death by careless driving.

There is a fairly new offence of causing death by careless driving whilst under the influence of drink or drugs, but that is very specifically for people who are pissed/monged.

So, assuming he wasn't off his face, you're looking at either

-causing death by dangerous driving (max sentence 14 years). It's not a mandatory custodial sentence, as a guy from Hassocks recently escaped prison for killing someone with a dodgy overtaking manouevre, mainly because the judge decided the prisons were too full already.

or

-careless or inconsiderate driving


(or no further action, after all, he hasn't been charged with anything yet).

 

[clippedgull]

-causing death by dangerous driving (max sentence 14 years). It's not a mandatory custodial sentence, as a guy from Hassocks recently escaped prison for killing someone with a dodgy overtaking manouevre, mainly because the judge decided the prisons were too full already.

Why don't they build more prisons for scum like that

Or defer the sentence until a place becomes available.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Why don't they build more prisons for scum like that

Or defer the sentence until a place becomes available.

Maybe.

He was a guy in his fifties, according to the Argus, with a previously immaculate driving record.

Couldn't help wondering at the time if a lad of 19 in the same position would have received the same treatment.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

That Lee Hughes only served 3 years for that or something similar didnt he?

He was originally sentenced to six years I think, but served three under the parole scheme. According to Wikipedia, he got a ten year driving ban.

His sentence was complicated by the fact that not only did he kill someone, but he legged it from the scene and failed to report the crash in an attempt to avoid being breathalysed, after a night in the pub.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

A sentence of anywhere between two to five years is likely, but it will depend on alot of variables and the circumstances involved.

I wouldn't bother renewing his season ticket for a while.

 

[Storer68]

There is no offence of causing death by careless driving.

There is a fairly new offence of causing death by careless driving whilst under the influence of drink or drugs, but that is very specifically for people who are pissed/monged.

So, assuming he wasn't off his face, you're looking at either

-causing death by dangerous driving (max sentence 14 years). It's not a mandatory custodial sentence, as a guy from Hassocks recently escaped prison for killing someone with a dodgy overtaking manouevre, mainly because the judge decided the prisons were too full already.

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Some might consider living in Hassocks to be the equivanent of a mandatory custodial sentence................

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

The minimum sentence is normally a Palace season ticket, maximum sentence is a ten year Palace season ticket plus one for a friend.

Either way, not good.

 

[Scarface]

The husband of someone my mum works with was convicted of death by careless driving a few months ago and got off scott free even though he had previous convictions for speeding and he was on the wrong side of the road.

 

[Bry Nylon]

Sorry to hear that your friend has been involved in a fatal RTC. Irrespective of whether he is prosecuted or not, I'm sure it will remain with him forever, in one way or another.

Given his age, and the fact that it would appear (from the news report) that he was driving 'with' the young man in the Fiat, it brings up again the wider issue of young drivers - particularly young men. The common thread running through the majority of fatal RTCs we attend (especially Friday and Saturday nights) is the presence of young, male drivers - be they the cause, the victim, or usually both.

The House of Commons Transport Committee report into Novice drivers (below) pretty much sums up what most of us had probably already guessed:

— One in eight driving-licence holders is under 25, yet one in three drivers who dies in a collision is under 25, and almost one in two drivers killed at night is under 25

— 18 per cent of all new drivers were involved in at least one crash within a year. This falls to 13 per cent in the second year

— Young drivers in fatal collisions, especially under 20, are nearly 12 times more likely to have been at fault than those aged 35-65

— 38,800 people are killed or injured each year in collisions involving at least one driver with less than two years’ post-test experience

— Women have a lower pass rate than men (35.8 per cent to 47.8 per cent) but in 2005 276 female teenage drivers died while the toll for males aged 17 to 19 was 869

 

[Cian]

— One in eight driving-licence holders is under 25, yet one in three drivers who dies in a collision is under 25, and almost one in two drivers killed at night is under 25

I'd argue that about one in two drivers at night is under 25 to begin with, it not a higher proportion; as well as more than one in eight of all drivers on the road at all times - older people drive less, there's many licences issued to (lethally dangerous) old biddies who drive to Tesco once every two weeks. I do much of my driving at night and the majority of other category B, non-SSPV vehicles on the road at that time are being driven by young males.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

The minimum sentence is normally a Palace season ticket, maximum sentence is a ten year Palace season ticket plus one for a friend.

Either way, not good.

If he is really unlucky he will be given a Grimsby Town Season Ticket.

 

[Yorkie]

I'd argue that about one in two drivers at night is under 25 to begin with, it not a higher proportion; as well as more than one in eight of all drivers on the road at all times - older people drive less, there's many licences issued to (lethally dangerous) old biddies who drive to Tesco once every two weeks. I do much of my driving at night and the majority of other category B, non-SSPV vehicles on the road at that time are being driven by young males.

So anybody over 25 is an old biddy? Older people drive less?

 

[ben andrews' girlfriend]

Did your friend leave the scene of the accident? Only it looks that way on the report?

 

[Cian]

So anybody over 25 is an old biddy? Older people drive less?

I didn't say the first statement there, or anything close to it.

I said that older people are likely to drive less often - particularly as they're more likely to be retired, less likely to be heading driving 150+ miles to/from university every weekend (again, not that everyone under 25 is doing this, but its an example), and so on. Young people who have cars usually use them heavily.

 

[RM-Taylor]

Did your friend leave the scene of the accident? Only it looks that way on the report?

I don't think so no, I've heard two stories, one where he was arrested at the scene, the other where he was arrested this morning but no he didn't flee as far as I am aware.

 

[Yorkie]

So do older people. Only 3 years ago Ned was doing a round trip of 600 miles a week just to work.
I used to drive a 30 mile round trip to work everyday and Guy drives from Southampton to Brighton and back again everyday.