[Football] David Pleat Daily Mail and The BBC/R5.

[Eeyore]

Billy Bremner, as you may well recall, was a chain smoking assassin, an elbows and knees merchant (not quite as bad as Giles, mind you), a punch in the face if the ref isn't watching, merchant. A 'there's a drink in this if you go easy' merchant. A hacker down from behind. A winner, a man you'd want beside you. A player. A leader.

He was anything but a cheeky chappie.

I've seen footage. For me football started in about 1976. First match I remember being the FA Cup Final. I missed dirty Leeds. Although I have seen that famous Barcelona match

 

[Weststander]

It's probably a personal fault, but I found the opinionated commentary of the Irishman (name momentarily escapes me but you know who I mean) a breath of fresh air.

"This is like watching paint dry" he once said. Crikey, that's honest, I thought. And I loved his Fergy baiting, and the fact Fergy refused R5 interviews because of him.

Likewise on 606 I have grown to like the man of bronze and the norfolk bumpkin who is actually better than that.

Telly commentators and pundits have improved. I posted on here some years ago, after watching a life-shortening game, that the two blokes on the microphones sounded like a couple of stroke victims discussing last year's oninion crop while sitting in a shed in an allotment, having quaffed DDT instead of the rough sherry they'd brought along with them, by mistake.

The ones still shit really are shit though. How not to do a commentary:

"Frank Lampard's Chelsea are on the attack.....his father in law played for, and managed West Ham, which shows what a close knit community football actually is. Of course Frank also started at West Ham, where he is still held in some affection. What a strike! One nil Liverpool. We didn't see that coming."

Allan Green - I liked him. Stood up to the aggressive bullies in the game Allardyce, Pulis and their mate Sir Alex Taggart. Plus if a match was shite, he said so. Making him unpopular amongst NSC’ers who like the faux happy clappy football product.

David Pleat - I’ve never rated him, along with Garth Crooks. Because Pleat’s old now, he’s getting the reverence normally reserved for classy Jimmy Armfield types.

Do you listen to TalkSport? I don’t see it as being your thing. It’s dumbed down radio listening (other than Hawksby, Jacobs, Glendenning, Danny Kelly and Rushden), a cycle every 15 minutes of 9 minutes of banal shock-jock noise, then 6 minutes of zzzzzzzzzz travel non-news and ads targeted to subbies and white van man.

The BBC have gone that way a little, that’s the giste of the article.

Your made up Chelsea commentary example is perfect, that’s how it is now. 70’s and 80’s matches commentated on by the likes of Peter Jones and Sinstadt simply didn’t contain that flannel. The commentaries are still available online, it’s goosebumps stuff.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I've seen footage. For me football started in about 1976. First match I remember being the FA Cup Final. I missed dirty Leeds. Although I have seen that famous Barcelona match

Football stared for me in 69 (my first visit to The Goldstone). And being allowed to watch MOTD. And watching Southern Soccer and The Big Match.

I loved Leeds. Sprake, Reanney, Cooper, Hunter, Charlton, Gray, Lorimer, Bremner, Giles, Clark, Jones. Typed all that without thinking. Madely or Bates on the bench. Twenty, no thirty years ahead of their time, with ball on the floor possession football, plus all the brutality and intimidation that was de rigeur back then. Manager had a flaw, though. Religion. They had to pray before every game, meaning they sometimes felt their fate was in god's hands instead of their own.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Allan Green - I liked him. Stood up to the aggressive bullies in the game Allardyce, Pulis and their mate Sir Alex Taggart. Plus if a match was shite, he said so. Making him unpopular amongst NSC’ers who like the faux happy clappy football product.

David Pleat - I’ve never rated him, along with Garth Crooks. Because Pleat’s old now, he’s getting the reverence normally reserved for classy Jimmy Armfield types.

Do you listen to TalkSport? I don’t see it as being your thing. It’s dumbed down radio listening (other than Hawksby, Jacobs, Glendenning, Danny Kelly and Rushden), a cycle every 15 minutes of 9 minutes of banal shock-jock noise, then 6 minutes of zzzzzzzzzz travel non-news and ads targeted to subbies and white van man.

The BBC have gone that way a little, that’s the giste of the article.

Your made up Chelsea commentary example is perfect, that’s how it is now. 70’s and 80’s matches commentated on by the likes of Peter Jones and Sinstadt simply didn’t contain that flannel. The commentaries are still available online, it’s goosebumps stuff.

No I never listen to talkshite. Bloke at work had it on 10 years ago and it was a phone in where they didn't weed out the nutters and bores like they do on R5. And the host sounded like it was Richard Littlejohn, hankering for the days when you could call 'a spade a spade' at ten thirty on a Tuesday morning. That was enough for me. You know what I'm like - piss me off once and you're on ignore forever

Hope you are OK down in Brighton. Being a bit younger than me you'll be better set if this weasel virus does wade in. In the meantime, let's keep NSC swinging, with top opinion-based fact and evidence-free deduction.

 

[London Pompous]

Does Martin Samuel still write for The Mail ? I used to love his writing.

He does. Here’s one of his recent ones defending Manchester City against UEFA

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8005751/Financial-Fair-Play-UEFA-protection-racket-payback-clubs-hate-Manchester-City.html

In other news, who does Martin Samuel’s son work for? Who was a guest at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix and a guest on Mansour’s private yacht afterwards?

 

[drew]

A bit rich someone banging on about he was brought up to respect people then doing what he is famous for doing!

Personally think he is talking about bygone years. If pressed, he'd probably moan that they don't play the national anthem just before the test card late at night.

Times change, just as they did before he started listening to the Radio.

 

[LamieRobertson]

It's probably a personal fault, but I found the opinionated commentary of the Irishman (name momentarily escapes me but you know who I mean) a breath of fresh air.

"This is like watching paint dry" he once said. Crikey, that's honest, I thought. And I loved his Fergy baiting, and the fact Fergy refused R5 interviews because of him.

Likewise on 606 I have grown to like the man of bronze and the norfolk bumpkin who is actually better than that.

Telly commentators and pundits have improved. I posted on here some years ago, after watching a life-shortening game, that the two blokes on the microphones sounded like a couple of stroke victims discussing last year's oninion crop while sitting in a shed in an allotment, having quaffed DDT instead of the rough sherry they'd brought along with them, by mistake.

The ones still shit really are shit though. How not to do a commentary:

"Frank Lampard's Chelsea are on the attack.....his father in law played for, and managed West Ham, which shows what a close knit community football actually is. Of course Frank also started at West Ham, where he is still held in some affection. What a strike! One nil Liverpool. We didn't see that coming."

Allan Green?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Allan Green?

That's the fellah. My favourite commentator. He always gives a shit.

 

[LamieRobertson]

That's the fellah. My favourite commentator. He always gives a shit.

I find him irritating

 

[Winker]

No I never listen to talkshite. Bloke at work had it on 10 years ago and it was a phone in where they didn't weed out the nutters and bores like they do on R5. And the host sounded like it was Richard Littlejohn, hankering for the days when you could call 'a spade a spade' at ten thirty on a Tuesday morning. That was enough for me. You know what I'm like - piss me off once and you're on ignore forever

Hope you are OK down in Brighton. Being a bit younger than me you'll be better set if this weasel virus does wade in. In the meantime, let's keep NSC swinging, with top opinion-based fact and evidence-free deduction.

I think that was Jon Gaunt, when it was just 'Talk Radio' and didn't talk about the PL top six for 24 hours a day. He was eventually was sacked for calling a council employee a Nazi live on air! (where are you Lenny Rider? ) They had a very good late show with Ian Collins who was well worth a listen, the last time I heard him he had moved to LBC and was still just as good.

There are some some good shows on TalkSport but you have know when to listen.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

This debate is had every few years when this type of cull happens, a lot of people don’t like change but usually in the long run it has to happen and works out for the better. If you keep the same people for too long, it inevitably becomes stale and will lose it’s audience anyway. It’s usually those people on the way out who complain the most about it.

To be honest I lost all interest in what Pleat has to say as soon as he started on the classic gammon line of too much diversity.

And it wasn’t always better in the ‘olden days’ either. Whilst Brian Moore was absolutely brilliant, probably the best commentator of all time, John Motson was really poor. On radio 5 today they have a real mix, the superb Ian Dennis and absolutely dreadful Darren Fletcher. Mark Chapman is also one of the best anchormen in the business - better than Pougatch and Richardson.

Likewise, modern writers like Jonathan Lieu and Daniel Taylor are far superior to most sport journalists before them in my opinion. The content these guys produce is far more intelligent, enlightened and entertaining than what went before.

 

[clapham_gull]

I've read the article and understand some of his frustrations in the way media like radio had changed, but frankly he is talking bollocks.

Young people have simply stopped watching television and listening to radio in the way I did 20 years ago. These are the viewers and listeners of the future and the traditional broadcasters are worried that unless there is something for them now, they have lost them forever.

In one sentence, he reveal his true frustration:

For example, programmes are now called 'shows'. Excuse me, but this is not music hall. We have been led to believe this is what the public wants, but I am not so sure.

Complete bollocks. The more common (and annoying term) is "content" which I've learnt to live with.

He is clearly frustrated at not getting the work he was used to. It's pure Alan Partridge.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I've read the article and understand some of his frustrations in the way media like radio had changed, but frankly he is talking bollocks.

Young people have simply stopped watching television and listening to radio in the way I did 20 years ago. These are the viewers and listeners of the future and the traditional broadcasters are worried that unless there is something for them now, they have lost them forever.

In one sentence, he reveal his true frustration:



Complete bollocks. The more common (and annoying term) is "content" which I've learnt to live with.

He is clearly frustrated at not getting the work he was used to. It's pure Alan Partridge.

Good points. There is stuff on R5 now that I can't listen to, but it isn't aimed at me. For example there is a footy show that is all PL, and presnted by 3 or four blokey blokes who sound like they are white and in their late 20s, but have acquired a bit of a Jamaican accent 'from their mates', like. They support ManU, Spurs and Chelsea and present the entire programme from their perspective as supporters of Manu, Spurs and Chelsea, bruv. Now, I'd stop mocking the presentation if only the content had some integrity. I want to hear about football across the spectrum, with genuine insight, not just the opinion of three identikit male fans, even if one of them did used to be mates with John Terry, blud.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable here. I don't have any issues with young people, but I can live without that sort of ultra narrow chat. There is life outside the top six. FFS. OK, the programme isn't aimed at me, but I woder if it is amined at anyone, actually

 

[Pantani]

Good points. There is stuff on R5 now that I can't listen to, but it isn't aimed at me. For example there is a footy show that is all PL, and presnted by 3 or four blokey blokes who sound like they are white and in their late 20s, but have acquired a bit of a Jamaican accent 'from their mates', like. They support ManU, Spurs and Chelsea and present the entire programme from their perspective as supporters of Manu, Spurs and Chelsea, bruv. Now, I'd stop mocking the presentation if only the content had some integrity. I want to hear about football across the spectrum, with genuine insight, not just the opinion of three identikit male fans, even if one of them did used to be mates with John Terry, blud.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable here. I don't have any issues with young people, but I can live without that sort of ultra narrow chat. There is life outside the top six. FFS. OK, the programme isn't aimed at me, but I woder if it is amined at anyone, actually

I guess you are talking about 'The Squad' on Sunday's before the proper coverage starts. Yes, that show is absolutely terrible, but Nick Bright the presenter is half Ghanaian and from Croydon, he is likely to talk that way. Most recent guests, I can find, are Flex, who unsurprisingly is hard to Google, Chris Hamill who is Limahl the singer and Rosie Kmita a footballer from London. At least two of those are more than justified in their Bruv's and fams, we don't have to listen but I think it is fair enough having one show that is like this, and one show that tries to speak to younger people.

Found Flex too, he is Flex Utd basically Manu fan TV. So one out of four is white.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I guess you are talking about 'The Squad' on Sunday's before the proper coverage starts. Yes, that show is absolutely terrible, but Nick Bright the presenter is half Ghanaian and from Croydon, he is likely to talk that way. Most recent guests, I can find, are Flex, who unsurprisingly is hard to Google, Chris Hamill who is Limahl the singer and Rosie Kmita a footballer from London. At least two of those are more than justified in their Bruv's and fams, we don't have to listen but I think it is fair enough having one show that is like this, and one show that tries to speak to younger people.

Found Flex too, he is Flex Utd basically Manu fan TV. So one out of four is white.

Fair enough. I was being facetious and snooty. The thing that gets me, really, is the obsession with the top six and the clubs they support. I felt excluded only by that.

 

[GT49er]

you could end the post there.

Of course I could have, but as the phrase was the first part of - or introduction to, if you prefer - the point I was about to make, it would have been a damn silly and pointless thing to do.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Five Live is all "bantz".

Which is why it is increasingly unlistenable.

606 is the worst, but the rest is not far behind.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Five Live is all "bantz".

Which is why it is increasingly unlistenable.

606 is the worst, but the rest is not far behind.

all "bantz" like that i can shout louder than you.

 

[Weststander]

Five Live is all "bantz".

Which is why it is increasingly unlistenable.

606 is the worst, but the rest is not far behind.

I missed football at first, but now I’m loving the break from the PL hype. I must’ve been addicted to banal shite about transfer rumours, how amazing Solskjaer is, how awful Solskjaer is, VAR, blah, blah, blah.

I haven’t watched/listened to one second of Talkshite, 5live after 7pm, or any of the Skysports and BT Sports channels since the Arsenal v ManC match was cancelled.

By all accounts, the bores are doing magical moments from this season, was Viera or Keane the king?, great PL games of the noughties, etc.

Outside of Manure and Arsenal obsessives, who gives a ****?

Loving this break. Not getting sucked into the broadcasters spinning this out.

 

[El Presidente]

Five Live is all "bantz".

Which is why it is increasingly unlistenable.

606 is the worst, but the rest is not far behind.

This, and there’s a football finance DULLARD who is on there constantly too.