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[Albion] Dan Ashworth







peterward

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As said in that interview first and foremost is premier league survival that comes before and above anything else. If we can't survive playing the expansive style we have to survive playing the if u like and dare I say it the Chris Hughton style.

Other clubs do seem to grasp this better than us, bringing in the firefighters like Alladyce, Pulis or Pearson just to try and survive at any cost.

Other clubs - shit we've got the iceberg, do anything you can to plug the hole and not sink.
Albion - Hole you say? Let's take another Violinist from Belgium and just enjoy the music!
 


Springal

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Other clubs do seem to grasp this better than us, bringing in the firefighters like Alladyce, Pulis or Pearson just to try and survive at any cost.

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Pearson? When has he ever been a firefighter? Granted he is at Watford now - but before that he was at Leicester (promoted to PL and survived first season), Derby (left in October)

But appointing an Allardyce or Pulis is not a strategy. It is a short term fix, with an expensive contract and expensive pay off in the second season when the fans moan about the football.

Look at West Ham, they've gone through this scenario many times and are in the same position as us.
 


I don't think the recruitment has been that bad this season apart from the puzzle of playing 20 mill for a Champ central defender when the Dunk-Duffy partnership got a lot of positive press, Burn was showing promise and we had White cooking nicely for the next but one season. It's sods law he's had difficulty adapting and cast a pall over the overall transfer efforts.
 






peterward

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Pearson? When has he ever been a firefighter? Granted he is at Watford now - but before that he was at Leicester (promoted to PL and survived first season), Derby (left in October)

But appointing an Allardyce or Pulis is not a strategy. It is a short term fix, with an expensive contract and expensive pay off in the second season when the fans moan about the football.

Look at West Ham, they've gone through this scenario many times and are in the same position as us.

Pearson is at Watford now because of what he did in keeping Leicester up..... And I agree about the Alladyces, Pulis of this world..... Just drawing the comparison, other clubs will abandon, whatever manager/system they have, very quickly mid season just to try an ensure Survival by any means. We're not that type of club, our chairman backs managers, and we'll go down with the ship if needs be, rather than go the Alladyce type route.
 








Blues Rock DJ

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Ashworth talks a good game. But as with England, only as good as the players coming through the system. Which they doubtless would have done anyway, seeing as how most of them will have been scouted since the age of about six

"]Ashworth talks a good game".....................when did you last hear him talk ?
 


vagabond

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Yes, because that's exactly what I said, isn't it?

Actually yes it is. You poured scorn on those critiquing the clubs transfer policy. “Judging”.

It’s flimsy logic, akin to saying you can’t judge a boxers performance without knowing their training routines. Hey did you see the Irishman on Netflix? Oh wait we can’t judge films either can we as we’re not involved in the pre and post production, what do we know?
 


vagabond

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Pearson? When has he ever been a firefighter? Granted he is at Watford now - but before that he was at Leicester (promoted to PL and survived first season), Derby (left in October)

But appointing an Allardyce or Pulis is not a strategy. It is a short term fix, with an expensive contract and expensive pay off in the second season when the fans moan about the football.

Look at West Ham, they've gone through this scenario many times and are in the same position as us.

This.

Big Sam may well keep us up, but we’d soon be in the same position again.

I actually don’t think GP is the problem, I have said since the summer our squad is lacking real quality, and that was before we let Knocky, Locadia and Andone go.
 




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I am struggling to see how a vision for an organisation would be seen in the way that people are suggesting in just 12 months? A vision to become an established top 10 PL Club.. the appointment of GP, and recent player acquisitions are the only signs that we can see/judge with any evidence. You can see a "style" change that's all, and that maybe essential to what will attract better players to the club - either to buy/sell or as loanees from other clubs. The plan/strategy that links to that in year 1 may well be on track for all we know.. Short-term fixes save seasons, but don't change any trajectories for the Clubs.. West Ham, Everton, Watford, good examples. There long term futures are hard to predict.. West Ham's a particular joke, because they have abandoned their plan and reverted back to a short-fix choice that wasn't part of their plan this time last year!!
 


NooBHA

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I have a theory that the Premier league and other club owners put pressure on Tony bloom as to the style of play acceptable in the league, a comment by Paul barber "We are in the entertainment industry" and the Premier league entertaining billions across the world with clubs seeing the financial rewards its important to maintain a 87th high level of excitement, short term defensive and boring football might be acceptable for the Premier league in the short term out of nessesity for some clubs, but Houghtons style was damaging long term!

That's like a "Casting Director" for a porn movie telling a potential participant in the industry that they can't be in that film industry unless they can s#ck c😊ck like Linda Lovelace. Would never happen
 


wellquickwoody

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Since our England hero rocked up a year ago to take us to the 'next level' most of us thought it would be upwards but it seems it is in fact downwards. We were doing ok under Hughton then all of a sudden we couldn't buy a win or a goal and survived by the skin of our teeth.

Hughton goes and Potter comes in and after a few glimpses of something different we are no better than where we were under Hughton, you could say we were in a better place before Ashworth started here.

Recruitment is still abysmal , money is spunked away hand over fist on players who don't get a sniff of a first team place and the tactics with this new attacking coach is pass the ball umpteen times at the back before making a mistake, giving the ball away and conceding.

So what has Dan Ashworth actually brought to the club that wasn't here before him or has improved under him ???

Someone to back Paul Barbers’ medern football philosophy #AGM
 






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DJ NOBO

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The Albion giving a new meaning to Dry January, win less again.

Lol. The Seagulls once again celebrating Lose January in their traditional style.
 


peterward

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I am struggling to see how a vision for an organisation would be seen in the way that people are suggesting in just 12 months? A vision to become an established top 10 PL Club.. the appointment of GP, and recent player acquisitions are the only signs that we can see/judge with any evidence. You can see a "style" change that's all, and that maybe essential to what will attract better players to the club - either to buy/sell or as loanees from other clubs. The plan/strategy that links to that in year 1 may well be on track for all we know.. Short-term fixes save seasons, but don't change any trajectories for the Clubs.. West Ham, Everton, Watford, good examples. There long term futures are hard to predict.. West Ham's a particular joke, because they have abandoned their plan and reverted back to a short-fix choice that wasn't part of their plan this time last year!!

Short term West Ham look the worst off, hellish fixtures coming up .... Everton have a world class manager and decent players and will be fine, Watford's spine is presently better than ours imho, Dawson is better than Webster and not inferior to Dunk, Doucoure is better than either propper or Stephens, duelofeu is better than Trossard and Deeney is better than Maupay. Forget the top 10, we just need to get to May with 3 below us.
 




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Short term West Ham look the worst off, hellish fixtures coming up .... Everton have a world class manager and decent players and will be fine, Watford's spine is presently better than ours imho, Dawson is better than Webster and not inferior to Dunk, Doucoure is better than either propper or Stephens, duelofeu is better than Trossard and Deeney is better than Maupay. Forget the top 10, we just need to get to May with 3 below us.

I agree about this season, but a vision is likley to be a 5 year/10 year plan, not one season to the next
 




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