I understand all of this. My original point is that this is an interesting piece of news, given the situation. This is all.
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[Albion] Dan Ashworth joins Newcastle
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I understand all of this. My original point is that this is an interesting piece of news, given the situation. This is all.
They won’t be able to buy the singularly most important man at our club.
Tony Bloom.
Tony Bloom.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
I guess we are going to get a comprehensive audit of the moral fibre of a lot of our payroll now.
True. But I get the impression Ashowrth, who wasnt on the football staff (he was on the Senior management team with the likes of Barber, Jenny Gower and Russell Wood for example), is employed on a permanent employment type of contract as opposed to the contracts which players and coaches have. I remember Paul Barber once mentioned that player contacts are quite different to the types of contracts other staff have.
As I say, i'm not an expert, and my points are more questions than statements.
I understand ashworth going to run the whole thing but i am not convinced it is quite as enticing for a youth academy coach. Realistically how many of his young players will play regularly for the first team? Compare to Man City, how many do they have? Foden. Then a couple of others who play now and again but it is not like Brighton. I can’t for a second imagine Newcastle having a comparable target of quarter of minutes in first team from academy products.
- Nov 11, 2009
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Yep thieving magpies cant help themselves.
They want to be us
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-brighton-john-morley-academy-23116022
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10519025/Newcastle-plotting-Brighton-academy-manager-John-Morling.html
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/17670610/newcastle-brighton-target-academy-chief-john-morling/
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Can’t blame blame them. If I was in charge of Newcastle I’d also be going all out to get Barber, Potter and his coaching staff too.
We’re probably the best run club in the country, it makes sense to try and replicate our success and compared to their disgusting riches, they can probably pick up most of our employees quite cheaply.
From our point of view, if he did go it might not be the worst thing anyway. These guys have a shelf life in their roles and he has been in the job a long time now. That job would be a very attractive proposition for anybody else so we would have a good choice of strong candidates and new ideas might bring even more success.
We’re probably the best run club in the country, it makes sense to try and replicate our success and compared to their disgusting riches, they can probably pick up most of our employees quite cheaply.
From our point of view, if he did go it might not be the worst thing anyway. These guys have a shelf life in their roles and he has been in the job a long time now. That job would be a very attractive proposition for anybody else so we would have a good choice of strong candidates and new ideas might bring even more success.
Not Andy Naylor
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Calm down now. These are all effectively the same report. The Chronicle and the Sun online both reference the Mail report as their sole source. It was written by Adrian Kajumba, who is a nice enough guy (for a Manchester United-supporting Londoner) but I'm not aware of him having any great contacts either at the Albion or Newcastle.
As for how important or hard to replace John Morling is, I don't know. But the idea that he has supplied a steady stream of young talent for the first team doesn't really stand up to scrutiny. Ben White is the poster boy, but look at last night's squad: how many came through the academy? Sanchez, Dunk, Ferguson, March and Alzate. But Dunk came through before Morling joined the club in 2012, and Solly had signed in 2011. Alzate was bought from Leyton Orient, so I don't know if he really counts.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Naylor Says No.
LamieRobertson
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Well he can give me a hand on a few gardens then….
Blimey, it's a good job this thread is headed 'Dan Ashworth', otherwise the last half dozen posts might have had it taken down quicker than a whore's drawers!
albionalbino
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I always thought his departure would be a huge loss to us. Potter was his appointment and maybe a big part of the reason he came.
The club's downturn on the pitch is more than coincidental to Ashworth's departure.
I think it’s coincidence in a way, but it clearly had an impact in January which in turn isn’t helping us now
In the long term it might be a loss, but it doesn't explain the sudden and dramatic loss of form and the awful results. The sale of Dan Burn has been a much bigger factor (though how much of a nudge Ashworth might have given Newcastle about BDB is open to question).
My theory is that we like to play with three central defenders which requires at least 5 or 6 who can play in this position. Selling two and not replacing them has left us short, left us playing a sub-optimal formation, left us fragile and in turn has demoralized the team/squad.
Ashworh and Morley leaving probably hasn’t helped though.
Ashworh and Morley leaving probably hasn’t helped though.
This - I suspect BDB was also quite a significant dressing room influence. Of course, it may only be co-incidence that our dramatic downturn in form coincided with Burn and Ashworth's departures
Not Andy Naylor
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This - I suspect BDB was also quite a significant dressing room influence. Of course, it may only be co-incidence that our dramatic downturn in form coincided with Burn and Ashworth's departures
The injuries to Webster and Lallana - coinciding with BDB's departure, so being unable to cover for Webster - have been the most significant factors. As [MENTION=15890]danny[/MENTION]WilsonSaid has pointed out, Webster and Lallana started six of our seven wins. Ashworth and Morling staying wouldn't have affected that.
My take on this sort of agrees with your synopsis but in reverse.
By that I mean - I actually thought his involvement was holding Graham Potter back.
Ashworth got very involved in the day to day running of the team after CH left. I always thought, so much so that it pulled the strings too much. Under CH he was never allowed to influence any team selections or anything at the training ground. In fact not even knowing him or any of the specifics I always felt he might have been the big driving force behind the sacking of CH. Hence many people may have read between the lines of my posts about him that I didn't particularly like the guy.
I don't have any concrete evidence that the above was the case but I do know that he spent a lot more time around the training ground and in and around the dressing room under GP than he did under CH. And I know that to be true because I know a couple of the players who were still at the Club after CH left. In fact one of them is still there now.
So in summary. Yes DA for sure has a major influence. I thought his departure would have been for the better and not impacted negatively.
All of that said. This is still a good season for Brighton. A 33 points haul at this stage is still very good because I expected Brighton to be relegated this season. I knew they wouldn't have got relegated in the previous 2 seasons but I just thought the teams who came up this season would have been better than they are given they had gone down the previous year and come straight back up. That hasn't been the case. There a about 4 really poor sides in the PL this year. So for me the Brighton season has been very good and I don't really see what people are are complaining about. Next year might be a worry though if this bad run of form continues till the end of the season.
Foot Note : I personally still don't like Dan Ashworth though but it is just purely a personal summation on my part.