Damned United

[Jam The Man]

Off to watch it at Chi to night, in the hope that when i come out, i'll have a text message saying we thumped Hereford...

Incidentally, i will NEVER recognise the term 'Brighton Pier'

It's a bit daft for the film though as apparently not a single scene was filmed in Brighton.. they actually filmed the Brighton bit in Scarborough...

 

[Easy 10]

I gather because Scarboro is basically Brighton 30 years ago.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Saw this at the Duke of Yorks (£1 off with my Albion Gold Card) last night and enjoyed it. Great referneces to Brighton, good performances, lot more focus on Taylor and Cloughs relationship than trying to recreate football games. The scenes shot in Scarborough were odd mixed with the shots of the palace pier.

I like the graphics that were used to jump to and from 1974. Would love to see that Clough and Reevie Yorkshire TV interview again but itv4 have taken it down.

I thought the location shots were great anyone know what ground was used as the baseball ground, someone thought it looked like Boston's but at the end it listed Chesterfield as a location.

 

[Easy 10]

I'm going to see this tonight.

Just thought you should know.

 

[sully]

Not so sure. I always thought the rebranding of the Palace Pier was purely down to the (Ig)Noble Organisation following the unfortunate Mystery Fire why put paid to its rival pier which had just been granted heaps of grants for renovation. Certainly all the council signposts point to the Palace Pier.

Still, for the purposes of the film, 'Brighton Pier' is doubtless more convenient for setting the scene.

I'm sure having now thought about it, that the pier was definitely the Palace Pier in Clough's time, though.



And just to confirm: From Wikipedia (so it must be right!):
The Brighton Marine Palace and Pier is a pleasure pier in Brighton, England. It was generally known as the Palace Pier for short, before being informally renamed Brighton Pier in 2000 by its owners, the Noble Organisation.

 

[The Large One]

Saw this at the Duke of Yorks (£1 off with my Albion Gold Card) last night and enjoyed it. Great referneces to Brighton, good performances, lot more focus on Taylor and Cloughs relationship than trying to recreate football games. The scenes shot in Scarborough were odd mixed with the shots of the palace pier.

I like the graphics that were used to jump to and from 1974. Would love to see that Clough and Reevie Yorkshire TV interview again but itv4 have taken it down.

I thought the location shots were great anyone know what ground was used as the baseball ground, someone thought it looked like Boston's but at the end it listed Chesterfield as a location.

I did too. Enjoyed it immensely. Michael Sheen and Colm Meaney are superb, Spall less so I thought. You have to suspend your willing a bit, bearing in mind much of it is dramatisation. But I came out of there after a couple of pints hating Leeds even more...

From wikipedia

Principal photography ran from 25 May to 2 July at locations in Yorkshire, Derbyshire and Majorca. Chesterfield F.C.'s Saltergate stood in for Wembley Stadium, the Baseball Ground, Carrow Road, and Bloomfield Road. Saltergate was chosen because it had not had any significant modifications since the 1970s, though some repainting work was done by the production team to differentiate the grounds from each other. The car park outside Elland Road was dressed to look like the Leeds training ground (until the move to the training facilities at Thorp Arch in the early 1990s, Leeds United's training ground was located next to the stadium). Other locations used in Leeds include Headingley Stadium, the former site of Cookridge Hospital, and a linen hire firm in Armley. Further exteriors scenes were shot in Armley, Beeston and Adel.

During the week of 23 June, filming took place in Scarborough, in place of Brighton. Interior scenes were filmed in the Victoria Sea View Hotel and the Esplanade Hotel. Exteriors were filmed on the Queens Parade and at nearby Scalby Mills. Computer-generated imagery was added in post-production to make Scarborough look like Brighton. Filming then moved on to Saddleworth before concluding in Majorca.

 

[Fourteenth Eye]

Im pretty sure that the beach huts used were Hove. It was definately the palaace pier at that time tho but they obviously couldnt get any original footage

I really enjoyed the film tho & thought that most of the casting was spot on. However Tim Spall looks NOTHING like Peter Taylor

 

[sully]

Seems like everyone at the Duke of York last night was from NSC, as The Grub and I also went (9pm showing - not sure if others were at the earlier one).

Agree that it was a good film, not as good as the book, but probably nearer the truth. It does rather make you think that Clough and Taylor were only apart and at different clubs for 6 weeks, though!

 

[Garage_Doors]

I'm sure having now thought about it, that the pier was definitely the Palace Pier in Clough's time, though.



And just to confirm: From Wikipedia (so it must be right!):
The Brighton Marine Palace and Pier is a pleasure pier in Brighton, England. It was generally known as the Palace Pier for short, before being informally renamed Brighton Pier in 2000 by its owners, the Noble Organisation.

It was "re-badged" because people did not identify or associate the Palace pier with Brighton. Locals did of course but nationwide people did not.

At the time 1999-2000 product awareness was top of the list and piers like Eastbourne Pier Southend pier were easily recognised and still are easy to know where they are, but when surveys indicated that when asked in consumer surveys where the "Palace pier" was, it was not so well known so it was re named "Brighton pier" for this reason.

 

[Man of Harveys]

Michael Sheen and Colm Meaney are superb, Spall less so I thought.

I'm glad someone else thought this: Spall's normally such a class act but he looked completely like he was treading water in this. He couldn't even be arsed to do the accent properly, although Sheen's also slipped gratingly when he was shouting.

 

[The Large One]

Im pretty sure that the beach huts used were Hove. It was definately the palaace pier at that time tho but they obviously couldnt get any original footage

I really enjoyed the film tho & thought that most of the casting was spot on. However Tim Spall looks NOTHING like Peter Taylor

There were some library shots of Brighton & Hove, but the seaside scenes with 'Bamber', 'Clough', 'Taylor' and, I assume 'Bloom' etc were all Scarborough.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Noticed that every shot of 'Brighton' had coffin-dodgers shuffling along in the background on Zimmer frames

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

I did too. Enjoyed it immensely. Michael Sheen and Colm Meaney are superb, Spall less so I thought. You have to suspend your willing a bit, bearing in mind much of it is dramatisation. But I came out of there after a couple of pints hating Leeds even more...

From wikipedia

Principal photography ran from 25 May to 2 July at locations in Yorkshire, Derbyshire and Majorca. Chesterfield F.C.'s Saltergate stood in for Wembley Stadium, the Baseball Ground, Carrow Road, and Bloomfield Road. Saltergate was chosen because it had not had any significant modifications since the 1970s, though some repainting work was done by the production team to differentiate the grounds from each other. The car park outside Elland Road was dressed to look like the Leeds training ground (until the move to the training facilities at Thorp Arch in the early 1990s, Leeds United's training ground was located next to the stadium). Other locations used in Leeds include Headingley Stadium, the former site of Cookridge Hospital, and a linen hire firm in Armley. Further exteriors scenes were shot in Armley, Beeston and Adel.

During the week of 23 June, filming took place in Scarborough, in place of Brighton. Interior scenes were filmed in the Victoria Sea View Hotel and the Esplanade Hotel. Exteriors were filmed on the Queens Parade and at nearby Scalby Mills. Computer-generated imagery was added in post-production to make Scarborough look like Brighton. Filming then moved on to Saddleworth before concluding in Majorca.

I love the fact Saltergate could be so many grounds, some painter and decorater did allright out of the filming. Scary to think it has not had many changes since the 1970's.

I agree you have to let some things go, like locations and when a games an hour from kick off, and behind him up the tunnel the ground is empty. I hope they repeat the Clough doco again as I would like to see the facts behind the story. All in all, makes you realise how succesful they were together and why Peter Ward went to play for Forrest.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Noticed that every shot of 'Brighton' had coffin-dodgers shuffling along in the background on Zimmer frames

Yes I am sure it was all on purpose to add to the story line about Cloughs ambition for the big time and Taylor happy to start from the bottom and work up.

Again my memory of the early 70's Brighton still had its Eastbourne zimmer brigade.

 

[The Large One]

I'm glad someone else thought this: Spall's normally such a class act but he looked completely like he was treading water in this. He couldn't even be arsed to do the accent properly, although Sheen's also slipped gratingly when he was shouting.

Poorly cast. Peter Taylor in real life towered over Brian Clough.

If it was a name they were after, someone like Ralph Brown or even Steven Rea would have been better.

 

[Fourteenth Eye]

Seems like everyone at the Duke of York last night was from NSC, as The Grub and I also went (9pm showing - not sure if others were at the earlier one).

Agree that it was a good film, not as good as the book, but probably nearer the truth. It does rather make you think that Clough and Taylor were only apart and at different clubs for 6 weeks, though!

Yup we went to the 6.30

 

[Insider]

Hardly towering above him here...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/derby/content/images/2004/09/20/clough_taylor_trophy_bbg_body_203x300.jpg

As an aside we did have some fun in the office one day, when we cruelly wound up Edward David (a keen historian) during the filming of the Damned United. It was claimed the producers had commissioned the rebuilding of the west stand facade and other parts of the Goldstone interior for the film. He got so excited, and was about to ring Tim Carder, so we had to own up to our wind up.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Hardly towering above him here...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/derby/content/images/2004/09/20/clough_taylor_trophy_bbg_body_203x300.jpg

As an aside we did have some fun in the office one day, when we cruelly wound up Edward David (a keen historian) during the filming of the Damned United. It was claimed the producers had commissioned the rebuilding of the west stand facade and other parts of the Goldstone interior for the film. He got so excited, and was about to ring Tim Carder, so we had to own up to our wind up.

Early photo shop trickery, Clough's in wedges.

 

[shaun_rc]

I think I'm in the minority here - I didn't like the film (or the book for different reasons).

The book was so dark, it showed no insight as to why anyone would find Clough likeable. As for the film, I saw the ITV documentary with the Clough / Revie interview straight before the showing at the rather marvellous DoY's. The film version artistic licences were hard to take having seen the real thing 30 minutes before, especially that interview at the end which ended complately differently in real life. The film had its moments, but I think it's overrated because everyone likes Clough so much, and Martin Sheen had him nailed down so well (apart from the occasional Welsh bits).

As for us, it did make us look like a retirement home. IN the 70s it was more like that (and certainly Tory), but never as much as the film depicted. This "London by the Sea" thing has been around for a long time - remember Brighton Rock and the gangster reputation for a start along with the famous "a town that seems to be helping the Police with its enquiries...". That quote was from the 50s/60s.

We were a small club at the time, but remember (the book and the film), we were in the First Division by 1979, so it must go down as a failure for Clough (though not Taylor). Not central to the film accepted though.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

http://www.viddler.com/explore/seagullstv/videos/2/

Clough v Reevie Interview currently avalible here, makes for great viewing