Which is when the Gov would step in and support, plus If we went down that route I’m pretty certain there would be an ex forces insurance scheme by most insurance companies, potentially part funded by Government.
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[Finance] Cut tax or leave alone?
- Thread starter Leekbrookgull
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Which is when the Gov would step in and support, plus If we went down that route I’m pretty certain there would be an ex forces insurance scheme by most insurance companies, potentially part funded by Government.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Expressed so much better than i tried to do
Then suggest one then!
Increase tax on fossil fuels and give massive incentives to greener fuels. By the way, enjoy the sunshine tomorrow!
- Jul 10, 2003
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We have Brexit, Covid and the impact of the Ukraine war to pay for against a background of Inflation and Recession.
Regardless of what is said and what rabbits will 'appear' from hats in the next few days, weeks and months, Tax is not going to be cut (or left alone, come to that), It is only going one way. Sorry
Regardless of what is said and what rabbits will 'appear' from hats in the next few days, weeks and months, Tax is not going to be cut (or left alone, come to that), It is only going one way. Sorry
We have Brexit, Covid and the impact of the Ukraine war to pay for against a background of Inflation and Recession.
Regardless of what is said and what rabbits will 'appear' from hats in the next few days, weeks and months, Tax is not going to be cut (or left alone, come to that), It is only going one way. Sorry
Is there another thread about common sense you could bugger off to? You might spoil this thread for certain types of posters!!
Tax breaks for investing in green fuels would be a place to start.
I think I’ll cope, do you think those who are struggling to pay the fuel bills in the winter will cope then?
Knock a bit off fuel duty and/or VAT to help the poorest, by all means.
But the NHS is on its knees due to cuts, and we are all complaining about waiting times, etc, etc.
The police service is on its knees due to cuts, and we're all complaining that we never see a poiceman and that their idea of reacting to burglary is to give out a crime number.
The passport office is on its kees due to cuts and people seem to be angry about waiting too long to get a passpirt.
The DVLA is on ts knees due to cuts......
Local government is on its knees due to cuts; bins not emptied often enough, potholes, blah blah.
Social care is practically non existant in some areas due to cuts......
On top of this there's a financial perfect storm due to Covid (now much did all those furlough payments cost? - plus £billions of other unplanned expenditure) and now the huge price increases due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine disrupting trade. Not forgetting the expected short term dip through Brexit......... and people are clamouring for the government to pay for all this, plus the required improvements in the NHS, policing, social care, etc. with tax cuts? Mental.
At the end of the day the Government needs to bite the bullet and increase income tax, the fairest of all the taxes we have. The very poorest don't pay income tax, so it won't hammer them. For somebody on minimum wage, it would cost them roughly between £1 and £1.30 a week depending on the number of hours worked. For someone on £500 a week, it would cost them not much more than half the price of a pint. Many of us think that would be a fair price to pay if it meant we could see a GP the same month, find NHS dentistry wherever ir was needed, and when we get old and doddery and need a little help to live independently to know that help was there.
Politicians though - on all sides just about, it seems - are obsessed with tax cuts, tax cuts............and more tax cuts.
But the NHS is on its knees due to cuts, and we are all complaining about waiting times, etc, etc.
The police service is on its knees due to cuts, and we're all complaining that we never see a poiceman and that their idea of reacting to burglary is to give out a crime number.
The passport office is on its kees due to cuts and people seem to be angry about waiting too long to get a passpirt.
The DVLA is on ts knees due to cuts......
Local government is on its knees due to cuts; bins not emptied often enough, potholes, blah blah.
Social care is practically non existant in some areas due to cuts......
On top of this there's a financial perfect storm due to Covid (now much did all those furlough payments cost? - plus £billions of other unplanned expenditure) and now the huge price increases due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine disrupting trade. Not forgetting the expected short term dip through Brexit......... and people are clamouring for the government to pay for all this, plus the required improvements in the NHS, policing, social care, etc. with tax cuts? Mental.
At the end of the day the Government needs to bite the bullet and increase income tax, the fairest of all the taxes we have. The very poorest don't pay income tax, so it won't hammer them. For somebody on minimum wage, it would cost them roughly between £1 and £1.30 a week depending on the number of hours worked. For someone on £500 a week, it would cost them not much more than half the price of a pint. Many of us think that would be a fair price to pay if it meant we could see a GP the same month, find NHS dentistry wherever ir was needed, and when we get old and doddery and need a little help to live independently to know that help was there.
Politicians though - on all sides just about, it seems - are obsessed with tax cuts, tax cuts............and more tax cuts.
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….but for balance residents typically get higher salaries and pay a lot less income tax. Those on low incomes etc also don’t have to pay the charges.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I posted it as a guideline rather than a definitive solution. We forget how much our health treatments actually cost.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I know that, but our government have been courting the USA insurance companies.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-sent-ministers-uk-25734366
If we had to go down that route, the French system seems fairer, but France is struggling with a lack of doctors at present. Friends of mine have to travel over 10 miles to see their doctor, and they aren’t in a rural area.
- Aug 24, 2020
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I would broadly agree with all of that. I would add that we need more tax take, not less, also to maintain debt repayments from spending on Covid, furlough payments, and latterly Ukraine etc.
Either the Tory leadership candidates are not being honest about the wisdom of tax cuts, or they are incompetent, or they don't care and will say anything to get the gig.
But to strike a balance, it isn't always about the solution being throwing money at the problem. A few years ago, there was a study of GP practices, into why it was so difficult to get an appointment. Being peak Brexit, you can guess who the scapegoat was - immigrants. But the study revealed that the main cause of lack of GP appointments, was a small number of patients who booked loads of appointments far into the future - in case they needed them. How about that? Just how selfish can people possibly be?
In that case the average A&E visit in the US is over $1000……
Weststander
Well-known member
To cut the total tax take just now is fantasy economics. Public expenditure is much higher due to servicing the pandemic support and support for those suffering from the cost of living crisis.
R4 covered this yesterday, an economist (not a lefite) said that an income tax rate cut at this point in the economic cycle will not translate into a boost for the economy. It barely touches the sides.
Suggestions on tax and spend:
- Increase support for those genuinely suffering, probably those on income support or similar. Those doing nicely or living comfortably, I know many, many folk in that category, simply do not need help with home fuel bills. Let’s support the poor soles unable to buy groceries, pay for a replacement white good, turning to loan sharks or credit cards.
- A windfall tax on the UK based oil and and gas companies.
- Raise personal allowances and NI thresholds.
R4 covered this yesterday, an economist (not a lefite) said that an income tax rate cut at this point in the economic cycle will not translate into a boost for the economy. It barely touches the sides.
Suggestions on tax and spend:
- Increase support for those genuinely suffering, probably those on income support or similar. Those doing nicely or living comfortably, I know many, many folk in that category, simply do not need help with home fuel bills. Let’s support the poor soles unable to buy groceries, pay for a replacement white good, turning to loan sharks or credit cards.
- A windfall tax on the UK based oil and and gas companies.
- Raise personal allowances and NI thresholds.
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I haven't made multiple appointments......... yet - but I'm considering it! I've got an appointment with a doctor in ten days time - but I made the appointment last month! One ailment per appointment is the rule - there are four things that I would currently like to have checked out, and they've agreed to consider two of them in this one appointment! Nice of them!
A third complaint was to be dealt with by a phone consultation - which never happened. No loss really - a small skin leision which doesn't seem to want to go away, and I don't see how they can possibly tell what that is withoit looking at it! Could be a little ulcer, could be an infected insect bite, could be skin cancer (hope not though!), or somethig else altogether - but they all look the same down a phone line!
What I'm saying is, not everyone who books more than one appointment is necessarily doing it for selfish reasons!
Health Insurance can be sold in a number of different ways.
In The Netherlands there is no excess for a visit to hospital or a GP, the policies are mandatory, relatively cheap (around 115 Euros a year for a basic mandatory insurance plan) and cannot be lapsed even if you are in prison.
Insurers and MGAs make very, very little on these - their money is made with sold add ons such as dental or physiotherapy insurance. Physio policies I have seen are incredibly generous. 36 free visits per policy year. When I was running regularly I used to spend a fortune on sorting out my sports injuries.
In the same country your employer will pay sickness or disability pay and claim it directly from an insurer. There are no state workers involved and therefore no delay in payment.
Bob!
Coffee Buyer
- Jul 5, 2003
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This.
Plus UBI that goes up with cost of basics (rent, utilities, food).
Stop tax avoidance by companies and wealthy.
Wealth Tax.
Proper inheritance tax (estate over £5m?)
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Would I trust the Tories with my tax …..no ****ing way. I’d rather keep my money then have them dishing it out to their friends, family and neighbours. I’d therefore vote for low taxes if it was a Tory government and higher if Labour.
Barnet Seagull
Luxury Player
Short of reforming tax completely...
Increase inheritance tax
Reduce tax on first x of income
Reverse national insurance rise
Significantly reduce stamp duty
Increase tax on online sales
Reduce business rates
Increase inheritance tax
Reduce tax on first x of income
Reverse national insurance rise
Significantly reduce stamp duty
Increase tax on online sales
Reduce business rates
Unfortunately all the people who should be taxed won’t be under a Tory government
- Aug 24, 2020
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I am sure you are right. You obviously have a valid reason for booking up multiple appointments. I would suggest that the reason you have to book them up as multiple appointments, might be because the triage system has changed to try to filter out the timewasters (not you) who like to book up several appointments for ailments that they expect to be suffering from at varying points in the future. I remember the study mentioned that it really was a small subset of patients who were doing this.
Anyway, we are digressing from the subject of the thread....