Curbs on EU benefits to come into force on 1 January!

[CheeseRolls]

Your right and the only way to fully control migration from the EU is to get out the EU. We can't have it both ways. All this talk of reducing numberswill never happen, not unless the richer countries of the EU all come together on it and the rules get changed.

and kill the employment prospects for a generation of our brightest youngsters.

We are being told it will be thousands from Bulgaria and Romania, I'm saying it will still be well over a 100,000 a year once you add all the people from the other EU countries and people from outside the EU. This figure is never going to change.

Turkey is trying to tick all the right boxes so they can join
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25398872,

Blair is doing the same for Albania
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...air-signed-up-to-help-Albania-to-join-EU.html

I was working in Poland on Monday and Tuesday and met locals who had returned from Canada and Ireland,principally to raise families. There is far more to this migration business than you see.

Where does it end? Does it end when nobody is left in these other countries.
There are only so many jobs and services each country can provide regardless of how hard working these people might be. Need to realistic.

You see what you want to see. Countries with a stable political environment and low levels of corruption are able to rapidly expand their economies. More people with more wealth mean that they are able to buy more goods and services from this country. Or we can just sit around whining about how unfair it all is.

 

[EDS]

Why should someone on benifits not be allowed car usage? If someone has health issues which prevents them from walking and working, a car can sometimes be the most important thing to them.

Another one who fails to read the thread, I said unless they have mobility problems then they should not expect car usage to be covered in benefits

 

[The Truth]

Another one who fails to read the thread, I said unless they have mobility problems then they should not expect car usage to be covered in benefits

What if they live too far to walk?

What if something very traumatic happened to them whilst walking alone which has resulted in them not being able to work?

It looks as if you think the benefit system should be a punishment for people unable to work.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

and kill the employment prospects for a generation of our brightest youngsters.



I was working in Poland on Monday and Tuesday and met locals who had returned from Canada and Ireland,principally to raise families. There is far more to this migration business than you see.



You see what you want to see. Countries with a stable political environment and low levels of corruption are able to rapidly expand their economies. More people with more wealth mean that they are able to buy more goods and services from this country. Or we can just sit around whining about how unfair it all is.

Employment prospects of youngsters. I have three friends, all have teenagers of working age now. They are all in work, however they are all low paid part time jobs which offer no scope for training.

Try to pull me around on the debate for continuing with the EU, because I really can't see what the point of it is at the moment.

What I would like to see is more manufacturing, because years ago when people left school if they where not suited to office work they would get work in Engineering which generally paid a lot more and at least people young people could learn a trade. Yes jobs have been created, but it's mainly service industry jobs. How many more supermarkets do we need.

 

[EDS]

What if they live too far to walk?

What if something very traumatic happened to them whilst walking alone which has resulted in them not being able to work?

It looks as if you think the benefit system should be a punishment for people unable to work.

As usual you talk shite, I will leave you to it

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Employment prospects of youngsters. I have three friends, all have teenagers of working age now. They are all in work, however they are all low paid part time jobs which offer no scope for training.

Try to pull me around on the debate for continuing with the EU, because I really can't see what the point of it is at the moment.

What I would like to see is more manufacturing, because years ago when people left school if they where not suited to office work they would get work in Engineering which generally paid a lot more and at least people young people could learn a trade. Yes jobs have been created, but it's mainly service industry jobs. How many more supermarkets do we need.

You'd like to see more manufacturing? Interesting as they support being in the EU; as do most business leaders.

http://www.eef.org.uk/publications/reports/Manufacturing-Our-future-in-Europe.htm

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Employment prospects of youngsters. I have three friends, all have teenagers of working age now. They are all in work, however they are all low paid part time jobs which offer no scope for training.

Try to pull me around on the debate for continuing with the EU, because I really can't see what the point of it is at the moment.

What I would like to see is more manufacturing, because years ago when people left school if they where not suited to office work they would get work in Engineering which generally paid a lot more and at least people young people could learn a trade. Yes jobs have been created, but it's mainly service industry jobs. How many more supermarkets do we need.

And ask your self which country is leading the world in manufacturing. And ask yourself whether they pro-actively engage with and shape the EU or just sit on the fringe moaning and whinging in a reactionary manner.

 

[cunning fergus]

From a well balanced economy of manufacturing and services?

That is true, Germany does, but then Greece still contributes to the EU coffers and arguably it does not.

What is the common denominator in how EU countries collect the monies to make payment to the EU...................

 

[cunning fergus]

I called it smoke and mirrors because it has effectively changed nothing. The Tories have attempted to look as though their being tough on the topic of the EU to try and win back defectors that have moved to UKIP. They need to make up their minds if they are pro-EU or anti-EU and formulate policies accordingly - not this half arsed attempt. As someone who supports exit from the EU it's done nothing to encourage me to believe the Tories will lead us that way.

Sure, don't disagree, however my point is that this is just another example of how the governing parties tie themselves up on an matter/event in detail but when you step back from the individual issue in hand it is always the same point...............the UK has lost sovereignty.

Any government in charge now (of whatever colour) would have exactly the same problem, the electorate does not want unrestricted immigration (and certainly not the status quo), yet the politicans know they are constrained by EU treaty to allow unrestricted immigration.

The tories know how politically toxic it was for Labour who gadded about a few years ago saying 15,000 poles would come when we now know was near on 1m. They know they can largely do f*** all about it..............so looking tough is there is.

If the tories were genuinely anti-EU we would have a referendum/line in the sand with Brussels on this now.

 

[cunning fergus]

In what way do we not govern ourselves?

Take your pick..................

http://ec.europa.eu/eu_law/introduction/what_regulation_en.htm

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2013/nov/28/european-court-of-human-rights

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2013/nov/06/defying-strasbourg-ruling-prisoner-voting-anarchy

 

[The Truth]

What if they live too far to walk?

What if something very traumatic happened to them whilst walking alone which has resulted in them not being able to work?

It looks as if you think the benefit system should be a punishment for people unable to work.

As usual you talk shite, I will leave you to it

Great debate.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Go on then, how about linking it to level of education and experience (previous years in work)?

Or linking it to how much someone has paid in ?

 

[cunning fergus]

And ask your self which country is leading the world in manufacturing. And ask yourself whether they pro-actively engage with and shape the EU or just sit on the fringe moaning and whinging in a reactionary manner.

The german voters are exactly the same as the voters in other EU countries, they do not like being treated with contempt:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ab0ca4be-4bb9-11e3-a02f-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2nvMwywY1

German politicians are seemingly just like those in the UK too...................“Popular votes would damage parliament” said Günter Krings, the CDU’s deputy parliamentary leader.

 

[EDS]

Boom. There goes the irony-o-meter.

Nearly as much as the brownnoseometer

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

The german voters are exactly the same as the voters in other EU countries, they do not like being treated with contempt:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ab0ca4be-4bb9-11e3-a02f-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2nvMwywY1

German politicians are seemingly just like those in the UK too...................“Popular votes would damage parliament” said Günter Krings, the CDU’s deputy parliamentary leader.

You will have to reproduce that article I'm afraid. I do not have FT access.

 

[EDS]

Go on then, how about linking it to level of education and experience (previous years in work)?

I do not know the answer to be honest, but I do not think it should cover a car. As soon as it starts to become enough to pay for things above normal living expenses then people will just sit on benefits all their lives(some already do).

 

[EDS]

You will have to reproduce that article I'm afraid. I do not have FT access.

Just register and you can read upto 8 articles per month free

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

German politicians are seemingly just like those in the UK too...................“Popular votes would damage parliament” said Günter Krings, the CDU’s deputy parliamentary leader.

He is one of 631 MPs; hardly representative. I'm not exactly sure of your point but if I was I'm sure I could find a single quote from one of the other 630 MPs to counter you.

 

[cunning fergus]

You'd like to see more manufacturing? Interesting as they support being in the EU; as do most business leaders.

http://www.eef.org.uk/publications/reports/Manufacturing-Our-future-in-Europe.htm

That's the problem with you tories, you are always attendant to the big swinging dick of montarists and capitalists.................recently Ford shut down a number of plants in the EU (including Southampton previously the home of the Transit) to move manufacturing to Turkey. A plant built with the help of EU money.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=WQ&reference=E-2012-011072&language=EN

Business leader go where tehy will make most money..............tory lap dogs like you then follow.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

That's the problem with you tories, you are always attendant to the big swinging dick of montarists and capitalists.................recently Ford shut down a number of plants in the EU (including Southampton previously the home of the Transit) to move manufacturing to Turkey. A plant built with the help of EU money.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=WQ&reference=E-2012-011072&language=EN

Business leader go where tehy will make most money..............tory lap dogs like you then follow.

I am totally confused now. I have no idea what the hell you are on about. A Tory?