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The Large One

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Jul 7, 2003
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The Arsenal Collective - A Home for Memories of The Arsenal - The Memory Bank - Crystal Palace? f*** offmate

BY STEVEN ANSELL

I was prompted to write this little piece of reminiscence by a comment posted on the Guardian report of the fantastic 5-2 bumming we gave the Muppets over the weekend. This inbred half-wit was a Sp*rs fan who had the audacity to suggest that a fellow poster was in fact ineligible to support Arsenal because she lived in Penge, south-east London, and therefore, by reason of geography, should support Crystal Palace. This assumption is erroneous in the extreme, and I’m here to tell you why.

I too was brought up in Penge, south-east London, and Selhurst Park is indeed just down the road in West Norwood. And I’m sorry to say that this unfortunate accident of topography eventually became the reason for some of my earliest and most traumatic memories.

I had (and still have) a lumbering oaf of an uncle who insisted that I would enjoy being dragged to every Crystal Palace home game. I was five. I was defenceless and could offer no resistance. My mother was all for it, and the betrayal I felt then is possibly still festering away in some dark Oedipal part of my psyche. And so it began. It soon became apparent that my initial instinctive aversion was f***ing spot on.

Selhurst Park and its environs seemed to hang with a perpetual gloom, and there was an all-pervading stench of pies, dogshit and stale beer. Then you went inside the horrible place and the negativity and bile bore down on me like weight. My uncle and his idiotic cohorts would shout and moan at their own players and bemoan the fact that they would probably lose again today. I wanted go home. And this tortuous bi-weekly outing continued and I could see no way out. What was I to do? When would the misery end?

Eventually, one Saturday morning, I found the courage to refuse point-blank to budge. The moronic uncle simply could not process this information – “what, you don’t want to go and watch the Palace?” No I f***ing didn’t.

A short time passed, and just as nature abhors a vacuum, I was soon watching football again. My dad had a friend, a slightly intimidating gruff Scotsman, who had always called me a “Jesse” (for reasons that remain unclear). Anyway, he suggested that I go with him to watch “The Arsenal”. I didn’t really know what this meant but my heart leapt. I liked the sound of it. The Arsenal!

I would be going to Highbury for the next home game and I couldn’t wait. The day finally dawned and we went on the bus (that’s right, the bus) from Penge to Islington. To my young mind the whole thing seemed like some sort of Great Expedition, a profound and mystical journey, over the Great River, into North London, to see The Arsenal.

We were soon strolling up to the magnificent ground itself, and the sun was shining, people were smiling and laughing, it didn’t stink, red and white glistened and glimmered everywhere in the sunlight and there wasn’t a ridiculous two-tone diagonal stripe in sight; cherubim and seraphim sang from the treetops and the music of heaven rang down upon the earth. And then I finally went into a proper ground. My initial enduring memory is that the pitch was incredibly flat and green. Green! The grass was so f***ing green! Not a pot-holed, brown pile of agricultural shit – flat and green. A surface to play football on, not a quagmire for retards to charge about on, like idiots. And that was that, I was a Gooner.

A few years later in 1988 (I was then fourteen) my Scottish friend was diagnosed with cancer, and the doctors said he didn’t have long left. He struggled on into the next year and by the end of that season a few family members and friends were huddled into his room in the hospice watching the telly as Micky Thomas charged through and won us the title at Anfield.

His skinny little arms shot up into the air and a beaming smile spread across his face for the first time in god knows how long, and he died a couple of days later. Cheers my friend, cheers for taking me to see The Arsenal all those years ago.
 




Seagull on the wing

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Sep 22, 2010
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The Arsenal Collective - A Home for Memories of The Arsenal - The Memory Bank - Crystal Palace? f*** offmate

BY STEVEN ANSELL

I was prompted to write this little piece of reminiscence by a comment posted on the Guardian report of the fantastic 5-2 bumming we gave the Muppets over the weekend. This inbred half-wit was a Sp*rs fan who had the audacity to suggest that a fellow poster was in fact ineligible to support Arsenal because she lived in Penge, south-east London, and therefore, by reason of geography, should support Crystal Palace. This assumption is erroneous in the extreme, and I’m here to tell you why.

I too was brought up in Penge, south-east London, and Selhurst Park is indeed just down the road in West Norwood. And I’m sorry to say that this unfortunate accident of topography eventually became the reason for some of my earliest and most traumatic memories.

I had (and still have) a lumbering oaf of an uncle who insisted that I would enjoy being dragged to every Crystal Palace home game. I was five. I was defenceless and could offer no resistance. My mother was all for it, and the betrayal I felt then is possibly still festering away in some dark Oedipal part of my psyche. And so it began. It soon became apparent that my initial instinctive aversion was f***ing spot on.

Selhurst Park and its environs seemed to hang with a perpetual gloom, and there was an all-pervading stench of pies, dogshit and stale beer. Then you went inside the horrible place and the negativity and bile bore down on me like weight. My uncle and his idiotic cohorts would shout and moan at their own players and bemoan the fact that they would probably lose again today. I wanted go home. And this tortuous bi-weekly outing continued and I could see no way out. What was I to do? When would the misery end?

Eventually, one Saturday morning, I found the courage to refuse point-blank to budge. The moronic uncle simply could not process this information – “what, you don’t want to go and watch the Palace?” No I f***ing didn’t.

A short time passed, and just as nature abhors a vacuum, I was soon watching football again. My dad had a friend, a slightly intimidating gruff Scotsman, who had always called me a “Jesse” (for reasons that remain unclear). Anyway, he suggested that I go with him to watch “The Arsenal”. I didn’t really know what this meant but my heart leapt. I liked the sound of it. The Arsenal!

I would be going to Highbury for the next home game and I couldn’t wait. The day finally dawned and we went on the bus (that’s right, the bus) from Penge to Islington. To my young mind the whole thing seemed like some sort of Great Expedition, a profound and mystical journey, over the Great River, into North London, to see The Arsenal.

We were soon strolling up to the magnificent ground itself, and the sun was shining, people were smiling and laughing, it didn’t stink, red and white glistened and glimmered everywhere in the sunlight and there wasn’t a ridiculous two-tone diagonal stripe in sight; cherubim and seraphim sang from the treetops and the music of heaven rang down upon the earth. And then I finally went into a proper ground. My initial enduring memory is that the pitch was incredibly flat and green. Green! The grass was so f***ing green! Not a pot-holed, brown pile of agricultural shit – flat and green. A surface to play football on, not a quagmire for retards to charge about on, like idiots. And that was that, I was a Gooner.

A few years later in 1988 (I was then fourteen) my Scottish friend was diagnosed with cancer, and the doctors said he didn’t have long left. He struggled on into the next year and by the end of that season a few family members and friends were huddled into his room in the hospice watching the telly as Micky Thomas charged through and won us the title at Anfield.

His skinny little arms shot up into the air and a beaming smile spread across his face for the first time in god knows how long, and he died a couple of days later. Cheers my friend, cheers for taking me to see The Arsenal all those years ago.
Great, reading that,have memories of Penge,was doing a Motor Mechanics course at Waddon and lived in Penge,just under the bridge ,worked in the pub...next door the bookies and after that the playing fields... played footy there... but never ever went to nPalarse....until we beat them that glorious day....oh memories!!
 


Feb 14, 2010
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As someone that was lucky enough to have been born and bred a Brighton fan because of family roots, I feel sorry for the Arsenal fan. He doesn't get that you are born a fan of a club, like you are born into a country. I wonder if he supports Brazil or Spain in the World Cup over England? Even if it is palace, his attitude just doesn't add up to me.
 


Billy the Fish

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Oct 18, 2005
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Haywards Heath
As someone that was lucky enough to have been born and bred a Brighton fan because of family roots, I feel sorry for the Arsenal fan. He doesn't get that you are born a fan of a club, like you are born into a country. I wonder if he supports Brazil or Spain in the World Cup over England? Even if it is palace, his attitude just doesn't add up to me.

Agree.

Whoever wrote that is a total dickhead. I pity him. He will never feel the empathy that I(we) feel for my(our) club, he might think he does but he can't, it's not possible because he willingly abandoned his birthright. He will never feel what I feel, and that's sad.
 


Questions

Habitual User
Oct 18, 2006
25,777
Worthing
His uncle and his mother wanted him to support his local team but he felt betrayed having to go along and watch them. The man is a c unt.
Betrayed ?

I suspect TLO posted this expecting everyone to laugh at palace though.
Well TLO ?
 




Shooting Star

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Apr 29, 2011
2,893
Suffolk
I pity him also. '...won us the title at Anfield.' Who is 'us'? If I suddenly decided on the spur of the moment to become a Gooner tomorrow, does that make me part of the 'us'? I'd have so much more respect for that man if he remained a Palace fan. I'd rather spend my time talking football with a Palace fan ANY day than a plastic supporter. Is it just me or do the plastics use the term 'us' more so than fans of local clubs? Or it may just be me cringing every time I hear it from one of them.
 




Gregory2Smith1

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Sep 21, 2011
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Auch
it beggar's belief that someone can be brought up in a town with a football league club and then go and support a different one!
 






Grassman

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Jun 12, 2008
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Tun Wells
Glad I wasn't the only one to feel dislike for the bloke on reading that piece. I detest Palace with a passion, I really do, but at least their fans support them and not some big time charlie, glory seeking side like Arsenal. You can call Palace fans many things, but glory seekers they aint. Still effing scum, though.

As for the "stench of pies" bullsh*t, they smell better than off prawn sarnies.....
 
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The Large One

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Jul 7, 2003
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His uncle and his mother wanted him to support his local team but he felt betrayed having to go along and watch them. The man is a c unt.
Betrayed ?

I suspect TLO posted this expecting everyone to laugh at palace though.
Well TLO ?

You can 'suspect' all you want if that's what floats your boat.

He detested and rejected Palace from the moment he clapped eyes upon them, and never supported them. Did you support your team because your mum told you to? Or did you make your own mind up?

The fact he went to Arsenal is secondary.
 






Questions

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Oct 18, 2006
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You can 'suspect' all you want if that's what floats your boat.

He detested and rejected Palace from the moment he clapped eyes upon them, and never supported them. Did you support your team because your mum told you to? Or did you make your own mind up?

The fact he went to Arsenal is secondary.

So what are you saying then ? You agree with him rejecting his local team or not ?
 


The Large One

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Jul 7, 2003
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So what are you saying then ? You agree with him rejecting his local team or not ?

That's a loaded question.

There are a whole host of reasons why anyone supports any given team - see the post above yours. Locality is one, and sometimes it's the strongest reason. But it's not the only reason.

In this instance, I understand him rejecting his local team. He rejected them because he hated the experience (understandable), not because he went for any glory-hunting.
 




Feb 14, 2010
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In this instance, I understand him rejecting his local team. He rejected them because he hated the experience

Makes no sense. I hate the "England experience". I much prefer the "Spain experience". However i don't support Spain over England. I'm surprised you don't get that. He "supports" Arsenal. Why? What have Arsenal to do with him? You dont choose a football team, it chooses you by birth, family and history. He might as well be choosing a tin of Heinz baked beans over Tesco baked beans in the same way that he is "choosing" Arsenal over palace.
 


looney

Banned
Jul 7, 2003
15,652
Very Weird thread, arguments come across as being some kind of genetic loyalty or revulsion.

Most people support their local team because of conveiniance, Ive found southern Manure fans to be generally of low intelligence. Although they see something nice and shiny they by following manure miss out on the opperatunity of following a team every week. This argument doesn't really apply here as the author in TLO's post is in London and they are all relativley local. How local do you have to be? Hes a london scumbag following a london scumbag club.
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
54,948
Goldstone
To be fair, he was 5 and taken somewhere he didn't want to go. When taking my kids to the Amex I'll have things to keep them entertained, and I'll make it an entertaining day, accepting that I won't see every second of the football as I've become accustomed.

If he was that young, and enjoyed going to see Arsenal and hated going to Palace, I don't think that's plastic. Football isn't supposed to be a punishment to show how worthy you are, it's supposed to be fun, and it wasn't for him. It's not like he was 'supporting' Liverpool via the tv.

Had he have been 14, I'd feel differently, but he was a kid.
 


hans kraay fan club

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Mar 16, 2005
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. He rejected them because he hated the experience (understandable), not because he went for any glory-hunting.

A lot of kids would have hated the Withdean experience. Hopefully our kids had a bit more about them, and are now reaping the rewards.
 




According to some sages on this thread I've wasted the last 32 years of my life.

I shouldn't have bothered with the protests, the boycotts, the campaigning because I spent the first 10 years of my life standing on the terrace of Ninian Park.

Thanks for that.
 




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