[News] Croydon cat killer suspected of killing 450!

[Swansman]

Good post. I always enjoy your reasoning. Not a lot to disagree with there.
I'm still not going to lose sleep though over some nutter going round shaving cats when there's literally millions of animals systematically killed for human indulgence on a daily basis, with large chunks of specism, not to mention anthropomorphism, going on too.

Shaving cats is weird and could either be painful (in which case I'd gladly shave the skin of the offender) or not so painful (in which case I'd gladly advise mr cat shaver to get a hobby).

Sure, when you look at our industrial cruelness to animals it looks a bit silly to care much, but you have to remember that some 30-50% of the population has the toxoplasma gondii parasite which primary function is to make us (and prey) really keen on cats.

 

[Weststander]

Cheers chap, gift from Mrs AR....

I showed all the cat pics here to my daughter who’s been through a rough time. Loved them all including Ziggy.

 

[Weststander]

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My two rescue boys who arrived last June.

Ours are rescue female twins from the RSPCA, had them since kittens.

Looks like you have the same issue of them pinching the best chair.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Ours are rescue female twins from the RSPCA, had them since kittens.

Looks like you have the same issue of them pinching the best chair.

They soon get turfed off, only to plonk themselves on our laps. The ginger one on the left is still timid but learning to trust us. They went from the same home to the rescue place, so needed to be rehomed together.

 

[Gabbafella]

Some lovely sweeping generalisation about cats and their owners on here. I get that cats aren't for everyone, I dislike dogs, but I certainly wouldn't be shooting them like some f***ing serial killer in training just because it strayed into my garden.
My cat used to go out but always came home to use her litter tray if she needed the toilet. She is now a house cat so still doesn't shit in anyone's garden.
She has also been trained to do a couple of basic things, stand up on her hind legs to receive her dreamies, sits on command. Only very basic stuff but cats can be trained if taught early.
She isn't allowed on the kitchen side and would never jump up even if there was food there.
When she did go outside, she only ever brought me one bird and a dragonfly, both alive and both survived. She brought me more leaves than anything else, flat was full of them.
Glad Tyrone has been given a little holiday, well done mods.

 

[Weststander]

They soon get turfed off, only to plonk themselves on our laps. The ginger one on the left is still timid but learning to trust us. They went from the same home to the rescue place, so needed to be rehomed together.

Well done for doing that. Like dogs, they instinctively sense kind folk.

 

[AmexRuislip]

Some lovely sweeping generalisation about cats and their owners on here. I get that cats aren't for everyone, I dislike dogs, but I certainly wouldn't be shooting them like some f***ing serial killer in training just because it strayed into my garden.
My cat used to go out but always came home to use her litter tray if she needed the toilet. She is now a house cat so still doesn't shit in anyone's garden.
She has also been trained to do a couple of basic things, stand up on her hind legs to receive her dreamies, sits on command. Only very basic stuff but cats can be trained if taught early.
She isn't allowed on the kitchen side and would never jump up even if there was food there.
When she did go outside, she only ever brought me one bird and a dragonfly, both alive and both survived. She brought me more leaves than anything else, flat was full of them.
Glad Tyrone has been given a little holiday, well done mods.

Try using a clicker

 

[pure_white]

any advice on stopping cats sh1t in the garden? Never have this trouble in Kensington but do in Hove and even worse in LA they place is full of the little creatures. I have tried the pellets but i might just as well stay indoors as I do anyway as they stink so bad I wouldnt wanna go out anyway! I have had some limited success with water sprays but some craft cats dodgy them the b@stards! Curry plants dont seem do the trick and stones are debateable some think its a place to sh1t in so clearly they dont mind standing on them! I have had some limited success cut down rose bushes and they dont like the thorns

 

[Weststander]

Some lovely sweeping generalisation about cats and their owners on here. I get that cats aren't for everyone, I dislike dogs, but I certainly wouldn't be shooting them like some f***ing serial killer in training just because it strayed into my garden.
My cat used to go out but always came home to use her litter tray if she needed the toilet. She is now a house cat so still doesn't shit in anyone's garden.
She has also been trained to do a couple of basic things, stand up on her hind legs to receive her dreamies, sits on command. Only very basic stuff but cats can be trained if taught early.
She isn't allowed on the kitchen side and would never jump up even if there was food there.
When she did go outside, she only ever brought me one bird and a dragonfly, both alive and both survived. She brought me more leaves than anything else, flat was full of them.
Glad Tyrone has been given a little holiday, well done mods.

We’ve owned three cats, two were useless hunters, one got a few frogs in her early years, the other nothing. The third is a hunter, but thankfully it’s just a handful of fledglings in May …. I hate that time, but have managed to save lots and prevent lots.

There was no evidence that the Brighton cat killer was at all interested in wildlife. He was just someone with serious issues.

 

[pure_white]

I hate the stinky smelly creatures but I don't agree with the cruelty of the WHU player

 

[BadFish]

Which is what makes it strange. I can't think of many other animals you can own without having to be in control or responsible for their actions.

My cats come in before sunset. Go out the door, give them a call sometimes shake a bag of treats and in they come. They are trained pretty well.

Currently they are sitting at the door waiting to go out but can't as it is still dark. I would post a picture but I live quite close to Tyrone Biggums so I had better not. (What a sentence to have to write on an internet forum ).

Having an autistic son with a rather severe irrational fear of dogs highlights how badly people train their dogs (or at least don't use that training) and how often sings about keeping dogs on leads are ignored.

If we go out for a walk with a few dogs about you can guarantee that some are not on leads when they are supposed to be and that often those off the lead will bound up to us often jumping up at him.

'oh don't worry he is harmless' comes the cry from 100 metres away once my son is already terrified and his phobia has been made worse.

The irony is that when he was younger we did a lot of work with him showing how dogs can be trained and that they weren't something to be scared of. Now he isn't bothered about dogs on a lead or under control, only scared of those bounding about with no owner close by.

Then of course the owner get cross when I tell their dogs to sit down or go away.

Still no hatred of dogs here or any wish to do them harm. Just a bit of irritation at thoughtless irresponsible dog owners.

But I get that his fear is irrational and unusual so the idea has never really crossed their mind. And to be fair once people realise they are mostly quick to get them under control and away. The ones who double down with 'oh he is noisy but harmless" or once I mention the phobia ,," he's a great dog to get over that just give him pat" are annoying.

 

[BadFish]

I don't see it as a problem.

Our cat gets pissy with us because we load it's collar with a number of noisy things, until it works out how to lose it, then we have to get her another one.

People who don't like cats, probably don't realise what the benifits of having them. I got this off the internet, but it is true

Cat's Lower stress and anxiety. Cat owners know how one session of petting or playing with their cat can turn a bad day into a good one. Scientific evidence also shows that a cat's purr can calm your nervous system and lower your blood pressure.

The benefits of my cats to my highly anxious kids cannot be understated. Lowering stress, teaching responsibility and learning social skills being being the top three.

I follow the rules and consider myself a responsible owner. I am currently looking into setting up a run in my garden for them to hang out in.

I get people don't like them but don't understand how people can spill over into cruelty so quickly.

 

[BadFish]

This isn't a reaction to your comments, only that has been mentions before.
Cats will go anywhere they please, whether you keep an eye on or not.
Mrs AR is an ex head chef, so hygiene in kitchen is second to none, and the smell of herbs and spices is enough deterrent to keep moggy off work surfaces
As to the cat loo, no soon as ours as done his pees and poo, a change of litter is imminent

I disagree with the idea that they will do what they want and go where they want.

They can be trained it just takes a bit of effort. I have three and none of them go up on the bench or table, they were trained as kitten with the use of water spray. They learned pretty quick. Once in a while they rebel and try again but after a couple of sprays they are back in line.

My daughter basically trained one of our cats to be her shadow with treats and love. They are almost inseparable now

You only have to look on YouTube for trained cats and you can see what can be done if enough effort is put in.

Obviously they are far harder work but the principal is the same once you understand how they think and react.

 

[BadFish]

any advice on stopping cats sh1t in the garden? Never have this trouble in Kensington but do in Hove and even worse in LA they place is full of the little creatures. I have tried the pellets but i might just as well stay indoors as I do anyway as they stink so bad I wouldnt wanna go out anyway! I have had some limited success with water sprays but some craft cats dodgy them the b@stards! Curry plants dont seem do the trick and stones are debateable some think its a place to sh1t in so clearly they dont mind standing on them! I have had some limited success cut down rose bushes and they dont like the thorns

Cut up oranges around the boundary can work. Many cats hate them and won't go near them. Just keep trying stuff until you find what they don't like. Once you stop them they will find somewhere else to go.

Are they burying it or just shitting on the lawn? If they are not burying it leaving a garden bed unmulched for them may be an option if the deterrents dont work.

 

[Swansman]

Some lovely sweeping generalisation about cats and their owners on here. I get that cats aren't for everyone, I dislike dogs, but I certainly wouldn't be shooting them like some f***ing serial killer in training just because it strayed into my garden.
My cat used to go out but always came home to use her litter tray if she needed the toilet. She is now a house cat so still doesn't shit in anyone's garden.
She has also been trained to do a couple of basic things, stand up on her hind legs to receive her dreamies, sits on command. Only very basic stuff but cats can be trained if taught early.
She isn't allowed on the kitchen side and would never jump up even if there was food there.
When she did go outside, she only ever brought me one bird and a dragonfly, both alive and both survived. She brought me more leaves than anything else, flat was full of them.
Glad Tyrone has been given a little holiday, well done mods.

Your cat is a better person than I am. Go home to have a shit when I'm on a walk..? Pff....

I don't have a cat currently but my mother has one who is pretty much the opposite to yours. She doesn't like love. No cuddling, no holding. Sometimes reluctantly accepts some petting if its followed by the gourmand food my mother feeds her. If she doesn't get what she wants she screams until she gets it.

While most of the time being seemingly depressed and full of hate, she does have one passion in life however. Death.
If you let her out by night (which I often do when taking care of her), she'll undoubtedly kill (in best case scenarios) something and bring it back. Not birds, not mice, but f***ing rabbits. The worst thing about it is that I sometimes have to finish the job which is ok with birds and mice as I've done with my previous cats, but slaughtering a f***ing rabbit is not fun.

The whole thing is made worse by the cat having these crazy eyes any time she's been out killing. As soon as she drops the prey on the floor (well, that'd be nice, but it really is the carpet usually) you can see big massive grin on her face. Might be my imagination but sometimes I think I can hear her evil laugh. She's passionately enjoying it.

Luckily she's getting a bit old now and a far worse hunter. But if she was the only cat I'd ever known, I'd hate cats.

 

[AmexRuislip]

Cut up oranges around the boundary can work. Many cats hate them and won't go near them. Just keep trying stuff until you find what they don't like. Once you stop them they will find somewhere else to go.

Are they burying it or just shitting on the lawn? If they are not burying it leaving a garden bed unmulched for them may be an option if the deterrents dont work.

Cats will go anywhere they please, whether you keep an eye on or not......

The above was more of a tongue in cheek comment.
Have you ever tried to herd
We do clicker train our cat, but I was more of the idea at night and when you're out, that cats do what they want.
Ours rings a bell when they want a treat

 

[BadFish]

Cats will go anywhere they please, whether you keep an eye on or not......

The above was more of a tongue in cheek comment.
Have you ever tried to herd
We do clicker train our cat, but I was more of the idea at night and when you're out, that cats do what they want.
Ours rings a bell when they want a treat

Yeah agree about the out at night thing.

Love the bell ring for a treat. Does that get annoying? I feel like one of mine would be ringing it all the time

I will look into the clicker training thing, sounds interesting.

 

[1066familyman]

Cut up oranges around the boundary can work. Many cats hate them and won't go near them. Just keep trying stuff until you find what they don't like. Once you stop them they will find somewhere else to go.

Are they burying it or just shitting on the lawn? If they are not burying it leaving a garden bed unmulched for them may be an option if the deterrents dont work.

Oh that's nice. Someone with a cat problem, not of their doing, should leave a bed in their garden for all the neighbours cats to shit in when all the deterrents don't work (the deterents never work btw).

Incredible!

 

[AmexRuislip]

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[AmexRuislip]

Yeah agree about the out at night thing.

Love the bell ring for a treat. Does that get annoying? I feel like one of mine would be ringing it all the time

I will look into the clicker training thing, sounds interesting.

Definitely not annoying, quite good fun.