Could UKIP win the General Election ?

[Hastings gull]

Kipper MPs both right wing ex-Tories. Pound Shop Powell is a failed Tory candidate on more than one occasion . Their politics are Monday Club extremism with a dose of populism for the gullible.

PLus:
Predictable Uber-Tory stuff. Blame foreigners for the failures of capitalism, cut taxes for the well off, slash services for the rest of us and hand over public assets to the usual collection of spivs.

I have read some generalisations mixed in with a (un) healthy dose of arrogance often on this site, but I think this might top the lot. As I have written many times before, 40,000 people voted UKIP in the three recent by-elections, rightly or wrongly. By your logic, that makes 40,000 gullible people, all of whom just swallowed it all regardless, and were clearly without your intelligence and insight to help them realise their stupidity. They weren't otherwise decent folk worried as to the future with uncontrolled immigration, possibly seeing how their community had changed beyond recognition were they? No, they were just gullible.

 

[vegster]

They will not get in power, hopefully ruffle a few feathers and change a few policies. Until the election we shall have many threads about a party not in power whilst the parties that have been in power are largely ignored by the sheeple.

Oh don't say that ! They have to get in to power, that would kill them stone dead as a party. Frankly, UKIP is a dictatorship bound together by a few key soundbites and will continue to exist bleating about Europe and immigration until it gets its chance. I think we should let them have that chance as soon as possible and then we won't hear from them again.

 

[brighton fella]

PLus:
Predictable Uber-Tory stuff. Blame foreigners for the failures of capitalism, cut taxes for the well off, slash services for the rest of us and hand over public assets to the usual collection of spivs.

I have read some generalisations mixed in with a (un) healthy dose of arrogance often on this site, but I think this might top the lot. As I have written many times before, 40,000 people voted UKIP in the three recent by-elections, rightly or wrongly. By your logic, that makes 40,000 gullible people, all of whom just swallowed it all regardless, and were clearly without your intelligence and insight to help them realise their stupidity. They weren't otherwise decent folk worried as to the future with uncontrolled immigration, possibly seeing how their community had changed beyond recognition were they? No, they were just gullible.

he will see it no other way mate, he'll see it in the same way as the rest of his marxist mates will see it.
what did you honestly expect eh. the mans riddled with arrogance.


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[Dandyman]

what's up the truth's to hard to swallow is it.
whatever labour are they most certainly are not democratic and neither are the rest of the w*nkers who currently operate from Westminster.
the EU is far from being a democratic union, this is a union who takes away the rights of the electorate by overturning referendums... and so to would the majority of c*nts inside the british parliament if they could achieve their way.


it's quite astonishing how a corrupt organisation as the EU still continues to have any support at all when knowing the amount of stunts it has pulled, also lets not forget about the amount of misery that this lot of b*stards have afflicted upon the poorer southern nation states..and still continue doing. they should be highly ashamed of themselves.









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kipper inbred the ignorance of the left begs belief, grow up d*ck head.

It's gibberish because it was the Tories that took us into the then EEC and the left that warned of the dangers at the time. The idea that socialism and a capitalist club like the EU are the same thing belongs to the same second-hand nonsense that right-wingers like to pump out without any attempt to construct a meaningful argument for their drivel.

 

[Dandyman]

PLus:
Predictable Uber-Tory stuff. Blame foreigners for the failures of capitalism, cut taxes for the well off, slash services for the rest of us and hand over public assets to the usual collection of spivs.

I have read some generalisations mixed in with a (un) healthy dose of arrogance often on this site, but I think this might top the lot. As I have written many times before, 40,000 people voted UKIP in the three recent by-elections, rightly or wrongly. By your logic, that makes 40,000 gullible people, all of whom just swallowed it all regardless, and were clearly without your intelligence and insight to help them realise their stupidity. They weren't otherwise decent folk worried as to the future with uncontrolled immigration, possibly seeing how their community had changed beyond recognition were they? No, they were just gullible.

Clacton was previously a Tory seat and the UKIP candidate was the former Tory MP. The same was true in Rochester. Therefore right-wing voters were simply voting for an even more right-wing version of what they had previously voted for.

Any working person who votes for a party that is as virulently anti-working class as UKIP is gullible. You are free to think otherwise.

 

[zxtwinturbo]

Clacton was previously a Tory seat and the UKIP candidate was the former Tory MP. The same was true in Rochester. Therefore right-wing voters were simply voting for an even more right-wing version of what they had previously voted for.

Any working person who votes for a party that is as virulently anti-working class as UKIP is gullible. You are free to think otherwise.

Yeah and labour give a toss about white British working class dont they?

 

[Dandyman]

Yeah and labour give a toss about white British working class dont they?

I don't recall saying they did.

 

[TSB]

No.

 

[zxtwinturbo]

I don't recall saying they did.

where i work is very working class..we are massively outnumbered by foreigners.A good 95% of the British that are left are voting ukip after decades of being shafted by labour and torys.Persoanlly i think BNP are a better bet

 

[Soulman]

Clacton was previously a Tory seat and the UKIP candidate was the former Tory MP. The same was true in Rochester. Therefore right-wing voters were simply voting for an even more right-wing version of what they had previously voted for.

Any working person who votes for a party that is as virulently anti-working class as UKIP is gullible. You are free to think otherwise.

Could it not be they were voting for the party whether the candidates had been Tory or Labour, could it be that the voters in those constituencies had a gutfull of the two parties that have been swopping governments over my lifetime.
It will be interesting to see if another candidate swops from Labour to ukip, and is voted in....your theory would go out of the window.

 

[Dandyman]

Could it not be they were voting for the party whether the candidates had been Tory or Labour, could it be that the voters in those constituencies had a gutfull of the two parties that have been swopping governments over my lifetime.
It will be interesting to see if another candidate swops from Labour to ukip, and is voted in....your theory would go out of the window.

If your point is that people are p*ssed off with the main parties then I agree. If you think a bunch of Thatcher loving extremists are an alternative to those that currently hold power then we don't agree.

 

[beorhthelm]

Clacton was previously a Tory seat and the UKIP candidate was the former Tory MP. The same was true in Rochester. Therefore right-wing voters were simply voting for an even more right-wing version of what they had previously voted for.

Any working person who votes for a party that is as virulently anti-working class as UKIP is gullible. You are free to think otherwise.

you really think so? seems you havent considered the details behind those seats, where the Labour vote collapsed. also overlooking the Heywood result where Labour turned 6000 majority to 600. looking at the breakdown, they cant have been all ex-tories going to UKIP there.

 

[jakarta]

you really think so? seems you havent considered the details behind those seats, where the Labour vote collapsed. also overlooking the Heywood result where Labour turned 6000 majority to 600. looking at the breakdown, they cant have been all ex-tories going to UKIP there.

They were gullible, you have been told that already. Probably 'bigots' as well. Nice to know that you are free to think otherwise though.

 

[Dandyman]

you really think so? seems you havent considered the details behind those seats, where the Labour vote collapsed. also overlooking the Heywood result where Labour turned 6000 majority to 600. looking at the breakdown, they cant have been all ex-tories going to UKIP there.

There are a number of variables in the Heywood result, including a fall in turnout from 57.5% to 36%.

The Tory vote went from 12,528 in 2010 to 3,496 and Labour's from 18,499 to 11,633. I don't doubt that some former Labour voters voted UKIP as a protest but I am also confident that the majority of the UKIP vote (11,016) was from former Tories or previously non-voting right-wingers.

 

[beorhthelm]

i wouldnt dispute a majority of the Ukippers where previously tory voters, though that leaves a potentialy large minority in question. if you look at the % for each party, UKIP had 10% more than Conservatives previous, and considering they polled 3500 votes, there must be an awful lot of non-voting right wingers in that consituency. maybe Liberal voters switched? or maybe Labour voters switched (gullible ones of course).

 

[Soulman]

If your point is that people are p*ssed off with the main parties then I agree. If you think a bunch of Thatcher loving extremists are an alternative to those that currently hold power then we don't agree.

Well seeing as the main policies of UKIP are leaving the EU (which Thatcher had no intention) and controlling immigration (which i do not believe Thatcher spoke about) then i would not class the many Tory and Labour voters who have defected, as "a bunch of Thatcher loving extremists".
Of course UKIP won't win the next general election, although the amount of threads and posts would make a not in the know onlooker think they are in pole position.
What they have done is make the other two parties wake up a little in the wake of the polls and recent election results. They are realising that a lot of the people want them to take note of some of ukip's policies.
Of course the Tories and Labour are promising change, but as proved in the past, neither can be trusted.

 

[portslade seagull]

Think the torys and Labour should be more worried into the probe being carried out by the police into the governments during the 70s and 80s and the paedo rings .... but it will probably be brushed under the carpet

 

[Hastings gull]

Think the torys and Labour should be more worried into the probe being carried out by the police into the governments during the 70s and 80s and the paedo rings .... but it will probably be brushed under the carpet

Nothing to do with the above, but please help an old git. What is a kipper - and a blagger?
Thanks

 

[brighton fella]

Nothing to do with the above, but please help an old git. What is a kipper - and a blagger?
Thanks

kipper=UKIP voter.
blagger=a lying b*stard

 

[Hastings gull]

kipper=UKIP voter.
blagger=a lying b*stard

Many thanks.