[News] Corbyn to become CND vice-president

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

If you think Trident provides us with a sovereign nuclear deterrent you haven't done your research.

Also I don't get this obsession with all MPs in a party having to hold the same views. It undermines what is meant to be a representative democracy.

Yes but . . . . to win an election Labour need to attract voters. Floating voters. This incoherence reminds me of the Church of England in he 1980s, when Archbishop Jenkins confessed to not really believing in God. I am sure this attracted some athiests to join the C of E, but by and large, the number of bums on pews fell.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Until today, Corbyn has been vice-chair of CND (which is an active role in the organisation). Taking the appointment as vice-president is a token position, which means that he is standing down as a CND activist. Being Labour leader means he hasn't got the time for other jobs.

But the rules are obvious ... EVERYTHING that Corbyn does will be turned against him.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

True, this man is a security risk, he will be leaking information back to the Russians. If he manages to get power he will dismantle our defences allowing the russians to invade.

Too much?

It's up there with claiming that Cherie Blair's Catholicism makes her a supporter of the IRA.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

But the rules are obvious ... EVERYTHING that Corbyn does will be turned against him.

The rules are ...

if you are a member of, vice chair of, vice president of an organisation that as it's main stated aim is in direct contradiction to the policy of the party you lead there is a reasonable chance this may draw some criticism. Bless.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

The rules are ...

if you are a member of, vice chair of, vice president of an organisation that as it's main stated aim is in direct contradiction to the policy of the party you lead there is a reasonable chance this may draw some criticism. Bless.

Actually ... the rules are that, if you get the votes of most of the members and supporters of the party, you get to be the leader, regardless of what other members of the party think. It will take a while for this to sink in, but it would be hugely damaging for Corbyn now to present himself to the world as someone who wishes to abandon his long-held principles because the Daily Telegraph doesn't like what he believes in.

 

[beorhthelm]

True, this man is a security risk, he will be leaking information back to the Russians. If he manages to get power he will dismantle our defences allowing the russians to invade.

to be fair, the Russians arent socialists anymore, so they aren't natural bed fellows. i'd be more worried about allowing the Scots to invade.

 

[Buzzer]

Actually ... the rules are that, if you get the votes of most of the members and supporters of the party, you get to be the leader, regardless of what other members of the party think. It will take a while for this to sink in, but it would be hugely damaging for Corbyn now to present himself to the world as someone who wishes to abandon his long-held principles because the Daily Telegraph doesn't like what he believes in.

And the golden rule is that in order to win a general election you need to win the centre ground in England. Voting in a hard-left leader does nothing but relegate the Labour Party leader to a large pressure group and consigns them to opposition until at least 2025. That means 10 more years at least of Tory rule. When you and others on the left finally get your head around that prospect then it might behove you to persuade Corbyn to moderate at least one or two of his views so that you have a chance of bringing in some of the policies you want to see enacted. At the moment, you're not going to get any.

 

[Mackenzie]

Being vice-president of anything is brilliant. All the kudos, none of the responsibility.

Well played Jezza.

You prick.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

And the golden rule is that in order to win a general election you need to win the centre ground in England. Voting in a hard-left leader does nothing but relegate the Labour Party leader to a large pressure group and consigns them to opposition until at least 2025. That means 10 more years at least of Tory rule. When you and others on the left finally get your head around that prospect then it might behove you to persuade Corbyn to moderate at least one or two of his views so that you have a chance of bringing in some of the policies you want to see enacted. At the moment, you're not going to get any.

You're assuming that Corbyn will lead the Labour Party into the next election and that he even wants to. I suspect he won't. The most likely scenario is that, once he overcomes the initial hiccups of having parliamentary colleagues who don't yet realise what is going on, he will preside over a transformation of the party that will turn out to chime with much of the anti-Tory electorate and he will step down to allow Labour to go into the 2020 election with a new, young leadership that will astonish the old duffers who imagine they have an unquestionable right to rule the nation.

 

[Soulman]

You're assuming that Corbyn will lead the Labour Party into the next election and that he even wants to. I suspect he won't. The most likely scenario is that, once he overcomes the initial hiccups of having parliamentary colleagues who don't yet realise what is going on, he will preside over a transformation of the party that will turn out to chime with much of the anti-Tory electorate and he will step down to allow Labour to go into the 2020 election with a new, young leadership that will astonish the old duffers who imagine they have an unquestionable right to rule the nation.

Crikey, only a few weeks ago this Jeremy chap was seen as the new Messiah by many on here, the next PM nailed on, the darling of the many that joined up......now a bit of discontent is settling in and he is just keeping the chair warm for a new dynamic leader.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Actually ... the rules are that, if you get the votes of most of the members and supporters of the party, you get to be the leader, regardless of what other members of the party think. It will take a while for this to sink in, but it would be hugely damaging for Corbyn now to present himself to the world as someone who wishes to abandon his long-held principles because the Daily Telegraph doesn't like what he believes in.

Well that's a different point (rule). You appeared to imply there was unfairness in the critical response to this CND VP appointment. Where as the reality is any other major party leader would be subject to criticism if they had a leading role in an organisation directly at odds with their parties policy.

He has apparently diluted his principles to alter his position on the EU and NATO would a similar change on Trident be that damaging ?

 

[Westdene Wonder]

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is to become the vice-president of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND).

It comes despite the party's policy to support renewing the Trident nuclear weapons system remaining unchanged at the recent Labour conference.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34558956


*Sigh* yes another Corbyn thread. (comedy gold that keeps on giving)

Another great decision by a highly principled man ? or yet another example of his inability to lead the official opposition ?

I suppose he has a position to fall back on when he looses his present post

 

[Buzzer]

You're assuming that Corbyn will lead the Labour Party into the next election and that he even wants to. I suspect he won't. The most likely scenario is that, once he overcomes the initial hiccups of having parliamentary colleagues who don't yet realise what is going on, he will preside over a transformation of the party that will turn out to chime with much of the anti-Tory electorate and he will step down to allow Labour to go into the 2020 election with a new, young leadership that will astonish the old duffers who imagine they have an unquestionable right to rule the nation.

Blimey. Damage limitation already. If he isn't leader of the Labour Party at the next election it will be because of a coup from the right of the party and if that happens then there's no way on earth that Corbynomics will have any say in the next election manifesto.

 

[Bry Nylon]

You're assuming that Corbyn will lead the Labour Party into the next election and that he even wants to. I suspect he won't. The most likely scenario is that, once he overcomes the initial hiccups of having parliamentary colleagues who don't yet realise what is going on, he will preside over a transformation of the party that will turn out to chime with much of the anti-Tory electorate and he will step down to allow Labour to go into the 2020 election with a new, young leadership that will astonish the old duffers who imagine they have an unquestionable right to rule the nation.

So the utter joke that is Jeremy Corbyn is simply part of a cunning left wing Master Plan?

Okay...

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

This long thread mocking Corbyn for establishing a more senior role within a peace organisation whilst junior doctors march through London against the Conservatives continued laceration of the NHS whilst they cosy up to win arms contracts with the Saudis.

Beggars belief.

 

[beorhthelm]

... whilst junior doctors march through London against the Conservatives continued laceration of the NHS

asking junior doctors to cover weekend as part of their normal rota and reducing number of hours, hardly seems like a "laceration" of service. the doctors main objection is apparently considering evenings and Saturday as normal hours so they cant get overtime rates, so this is about their financial interests not the quality of the service.

 

[pastafarian]

370.000 members of the Labour party
180.000 since may when Corbyn was elected as leader
and rising
get your viagra ready

one of my best mates has always voted Labour over the years,never a signed up member though.
He paid and joined up 2 weeks ago,in his own words his reasoning was the dick head Corbyn needs to be removed and I cant help to do that if I am not a member.

What statistics of the 180000 joining since may do you have that they all support the Corbyn wing of the Labour Party and are not just the anti Corby brigade?......im going for zero evidence, but await your evidence every new member is pro Corbyn

 

[glasfryn]

one of my best mates has always voted Labour over the years,never a signed up member though.
He paid and joined up 2 weeks ago,in his own words his reasoning was the dick head Corbyn needs to be removed and I cant help to do that if I am not a member.

What statistics of the 180000 joining since may do you have that they all support the Corbyn wing of the Labour Party and are not just the anti Corby brigade?......im going for zero evidence, but await your evidence every new member is pro Corbyn

so 180k people in this day and age joined to oust Corbyn, those who want him out I doubt would even bother, mind you a few silly tories joined to vote him in
its the era of quietly getting on with what needs doing, not shouting about it and doing nothing, or saying nothing about it in the tory manifesto then shafting people.
honesty and transparancy...............................long overdue

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

asking junior doctors to cover weekend as part of their normal rota and reducing number of hours, hardly seems like a "laceration" of service. the doctors main objection is apparently considering evenings and Saturday as normal hours so they cant get overtime rates, so this is about their financial interests not the quality of the service.

Clearly you are unfamiliar with the issues. Junior Doctors tend to be quite bright individuals who are quite comfortable with reading a contract.

Personally I'm not a fan of shroud waving as a protest point but, seriously, what else can nurses and Doctors do when they are the backbone of the NHS?

 

[BLOCK F]

You're assuming that Corbyn will lead the Labour Party into the next election and that he even wants to. I suspect he won't. The most likely scenario is that, once he overcomes the initial hiccups of having parliamentary colleagues who don't yet realise what is going on, he will preside over a transformation of the party that will turn out to chime with much of the anti-Tory electorate and he will step down to allow Labour to go into the 2020 election with a new, young leadership that will astonish the old duffers who imagine they have an unquestionable right to rule the nation.

Ha-ha; well,that is my first laugh of the day.