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Civilisation collapses! No electricity in North America



From the BBC:-

Blackouts cause North America chaos

Work has been going on through the night to restore power after massive blackouts crippled major cities in the eastern United States and Canada.

The power failures caused chaos as they spread from New York to Detroit, and Toronto to Ottawa.

Traffic lights failed, underground railways were evacuated and people were trapped in lifts in offices and apartments.

Canadian officials said a fire at a power plant near the upstate New York town of Niagara caused the outage, but US officials disputed that theory, although they insisted terrorism was not to blame.

The US Department of Homeland Security said it was investigating the cause of the blackouts but US officials - who dispute the Niagara theory - have said there is no evidence terrorism is to blame.

Power is slowly returning to the affected areas - thought to encompass more than 50 million people - but full restoration will take much longer, officials say.

The blackout trapped thousands of people in subways and triggered some panic on the streets.

"Everybody just flipped out," said nurse Mary Horan, outside Grand Central Station.

"Suddenly you start thinking about 11 September."

Federal Energy Regulatory Commission spokesman Bryan Lee said the outage destabilised the power grid, cascading up and taking "a loop around the Great Lakes into Canada".

But US officials were looking at a power transmission problem from Canada as the most likely cause of the biggest outage in US history, said a spokeswoman for New York Governor George Pataki.

In other developments:

Nine nuclear reactors in four US states were taken offline, the nuclear regulator said.

The US Federal Aviation Administration halted flights into six airports - three in the New York area, one in Cleveland, and two in Canada.

Sporadic looting was reported in at least four areas of the Canadian capital, Ottawa.

Twenty-six people were arrested for looting in Brooklyn, New York, Reuters news agency quoted police as saying

In New York City, tourists were trapped in lifts in the Empire State Building, the city's tallest skyscraper.

The blackout closed the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel, which 27,000 vehicles use daily.

President George W Bush said the outages were not a terrorist act and added: "We're slowly but surely coping with this massive national problem."

Lights out

The BBC's John Terrett in New York says the city is waking up to an unusual sight - thousands of people lying on the pavements, propped up against shop fronts, lounging on the edge of fountains, huddled round small clusters of night lights chatting.

He says the authorities promised to restore power for rush hour but while electricity is returning slowly to the suburbs, the island of Manhattan remains in the dark.

As dusk faded into night, New York's famed skyline was shrouded in darkness and residents turned to candles and torches for light.

Times Square was plunged into darkness as giant billboards and television screens went black, while the lights also went out on Broadway, forcing theatres to cancel shows.

Many workers left their offices early, walking across bridges out of Manhattan, choking pavements and roads.

Civilians manned intersections directing gridlocked traffic after traffic signals failed, while on the pavements dozens of people queued up to use payphones after mobile phone networks broke down.

'Antiquated system'

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said power was starting to come back from the north and from the west but would take hours not minutes.

He told New Yorkers to treat Friday "as a snow day. It wouldn't be the worst thing to take a day off," he said.

In an effort to calm frayed nerves, he cautioned New Yorkers to stay cool and drink fluids.

New York emergency services had no reports of anyone injured during evacuations from tall buildings or underground subways, although the New York Times newspaper said a woman died before an ambulance could reach her amid the chaos.

Power to many hospitals and prisons was also reported to have failed but key institutions were working on back-up generators.

Critics said the crisis demonstrated the need to modernise America's electricity system.

"We're the world's greatest superpower, but we have a Third World electricity grid," former Energy Secretary Bill Richardson said.

Searing heat

The BBC's Lee Carter, in Toronto, says the lights went back on in the centre of the city just after 2300 local time (0300 GMT). The city's landmark, CN Tower, was once again illuminated, but power is returning very slowly to the city, with most areas still reportedly in darkness.

As in New York, the blackout hit Toronto, Canada's commercial and financial centre, right at the beginning of rush hour.

Trams and underground trains in the city came to an abrupt halt.

The situation was made more uncomfortable by the 90F (32C) heat in New York and Toronto.
 






hart's shirt

Well-known member
Jul 8, 2003
11,087
Kitbag in Dubai
We haven't had any streetlights working in the roads around where I live in Hangleton for the last 2 nights.

I wonder if the two are related...:eek:

:lolol:
 


bhaexpress

New member
Jul 7, 2003
27,627
Kent
Well, no problems in the South let me assure you. Our A/C still working sound as a pound.

Serves them right however, Americans are the most wasteful people on the planet by a country mile.
 


tedebear

Legal Alien
NSC Patron
Jul 7, 2003
17,117
In my computer
When I lived in NY I lived on the 25th floor - there was an elderly lady living next door - she'd have a hard time getting back up to her apartment at the moment - mind you so would I....
 




Does anyone remember the power cuts of the early 1970s?

They were very well planned. We all had advance notice that we would be without electricity for periods of about eight hours at a time. But the cuts were planned on an area-by-area basis.

I lived in Hove at the time, just off Davigdor Road, close to the boundary with Brighton. When the power went off, everyone trooped up to Dyke Road, where there was still power in pubs like the Good Companions. Food was available. TV watching became a communal activity. Conversations with strangers. A great time was had by all - and it turned out that the neighbours were mostly nice people who were worth getting to know.

Marvellous scenes.
 


bhaexpress

New member
Jul 7, 2003
27,627
Kent
I remember them all too well. At that time I was working for American Express as a computer operator and we got sooo back logge as we had to power off the mainframes every other three hours.

Good old Ted Heath (the fat poof).
 


tedebear

Legal Alien
NSC Patron
Jul 7, 2003
17,117
In my computer
I remember on holidays once the power was cut to the caravan site we used to stay at....we all sat around a big fire with people who we have been caravanning next door to each summer for years but never met.... we all got on a treat and had a great time - made one girl friend who I still talk to all these years later...
 




Yorkie

Sussex born and bred
Jul 5, 2003
32,367
dahn sarf
Before the electricity supply industry was privatised and split up ( one of the worse decisions ever made IMO) there was a really good system put into place with the National Grid.

All power stations contribute into it, including nuclear power and wind farms.

Yes we do get localised power cuts such as sub station blow outs etc but we wouldn't get the massive cuts that the USA have experienced.

I remember the planned power cuts Lord B. They were designed to conserve coal from the miners strike.


If anyone has street lights out then get onto your council. It is down to them to get them repaired by the electricity company. Keep nagging them to get anything done
 


fleet

Well-known member
Jul 28, 2003
12,250
I remember the power cuts LB - I bet my Mum has still got stockpiles of candles - they were hard to get so when ever any shop had them in I was sent to buy as many as we were allowed!
 


I used home-made "candles". A small quantity of cooking oil on a saucer and a curled up pipecleaner as a wick.

No nasty paraffin fumes. If you can't get hold of a pipecleaner, a screwed up piece of strong, absorbent paper will be just as effective. Just make sure there's about 1cm of wick protruding from the surface of the cooking oil.

And olive oil is the best fuel. When power is restored, you can still use it to fry an egg.
 




looney

Banned
Jul 7, 2003
15,652
Lord Bracknell said:
Does anyone remember the power cuts of the early 1970s?

They were very well planned. We all had advance notice that we would be without electricity for periods of about eight hours at a time. But the cuts were planned on an area-by-area basis.

I lived in Hove at the time, just off Davigdor Road, close to the boundary with Brighton. When the power went off, everyone trooped up to Dyke Road, where there was still power in pubs like the Good Companions. Food was available. TV watching became a communal activity. Conversations with strangers. A great time was had by all - and it turned out that the neighbours were mostly nice people who were worth getting to know.

Marvellous scenes.

TV is evil.:)

Sometimes I think technology robs us of our humanity but i just get acused of being another unabomber when i say that.:nono:
 


Curious Orange

Punxsatawney Phil
Jul 5, 2003
10,229
On NSC for over two decades...
Just chatting to a mate of mine in New York, he said that everyone pulled together really nicely and that he had a BBQ last night. He said it was quite fun. Although his office has the generators going so he has to work. Apparently they are having a few problems with the heat - 95 F.
 


bhaexpress

New member
Jul 7, 2003
27,627
Kent
We'd be very uncomfortable here without electricity as it's not only hot but also very humid.
 






Dave the OAP

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
46,762
at home
SUNGARD WENT INTO ACTION YESTERDAY AND BUSINESS KEPT GOING!!!!!!


Good old wonderful Disaster recovery!
 


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