[News] Civil Service jobs

[Baldseagull]

Interesting read... so basically the government recruited circa 90,000 additional civil servants to see Brexit through, now they are surplus to requirements...

https://www.civilservant.org.uk/information-numbers.html

Apparently...

There will be some that were hired for Brexit planning, but quite a lot will have been taken on to manage the additional bureaucracy being outside of the EU brings.

 

[WATFORD zero]

There will be some that were hired for Brexit planning, but quite a lot will have been taken on to manage the additional bureaucracy being outside of the EU brings.

Good one

There must be a few hundred working in the dead cat department that could be cut

 

[KZNSeagull]

Their is a role in construction known as Banksman. His job is to be an extra pair of eyes and ears for the machine operator, who cannot always see the end of the bucket, hook of the crane, etc. In excavations their may be two or three Banksmen depending on the site hazards. Despite this and many other H&S measures, construction is still the industry most likely to kill you. There could also be groundworkers there ready to jump in and dig by hand once the digger has reached a depth close to the services they are trying to access, or shore up the excavation. It isn't always possible for everyone that needs to be there, to be doing something productive all the time.

Oh I dunno - 3 of the 4 blokes sent to fix the brickwork on our local bridge were having a lovely time skimming stones in the river and seeing how many pebbles they could throw in the concrete mixer from 10 yards away, whilst the other 1 fixed the bridge.

 

[Worried Man Blues]

The drinks monitor is safe!

 

[Deleted member 2719]

I’m sure the 91,000 will try and be positive as they find themselves out of work in such times. Still, they won’t have to pay the the NI increases…..oh.

So would you keep them on, doing nothing

 

[The Clamp]

So would you keep them on, doing nothing

I’ll defer my answer until such times as we know exactly what roles are being made redundant. If they are there doing nothing, I’d be curious to know why 91,000 people are sat doing nought!

 

[Deleted member 2719]

I’ll defer my answer until such times as we know exactly what roles are being made redundant. If they are there doing nothing, I’d be curious to know why 91,000 people are sat doing nought!

I am pretty sure it's a phase out, so the work that initially came through the door has been completed or ending.
We need to start pulling in the purse strings, it would be irresponsible not to.

 

[usernamed]

So would you keep them on, doing nothing

So:

a) you believe that there are huge delays and backlogs in processing and issuing passports, issuing driving licenses and in answering the phone and processing cases at HMRC (and possibly DWP as well)

And yet you simultaneously believe:

b) That there are 91,000 Civil Servants sat around doing nowt, and that the Civil Service is hugely over-resourced.

If you think about it, it’s almost as if both of those things can’t be true, isn’t it?

 

[Deleted member 2719]

So:

a) you believe that there are huge delays and backlogs in processing and issuing passports, issuing driving licenses and in answering the phone and processing cases at HMRC (and possibly DWP as well)

And yet you simultaneously believe:

b) That there are 91,000 Civil Servants sat around doing nowt, and that the Civil Service is hugely over-resourced.

If you think about it, it’s almost as if both of those things can’t be true, isn’t it?

Where did I say that

 

[trueblue]

Crass generalisation. The last organisation I worked for had thousands of employees that were stealing a living IMO. Possible to hide away for years doing **** all. Several came in from the ‘civil service’ and found it much easier (as well as being more flexible with better pay, better holidays, bonuses etc etc).

Indeed. I’ve worked in the private sector all my life and there are plenty of people who are hopeless/stealing a living in among the good ones. Getting promoted for talking a good game rather than actually being capable at the job is a particularly common trait and once the managers bullshit their way to the highest levels, many hop from f***king up at one company to doing the same at the next.

I imagine the public sector could be more productive but the idea that’s unique really hacks me off. As very basic examples, countless times I’ve received duplicate letters from banks to the same address, while any attempt to interact with Sky or BT is invariably disastrous. The former still hasn’t managed to remove an old account after about 10 years of trying. If that was a council (with less funding and at full stretch), the Daily Mail and its ilk would be whipping up a revolution.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

One of our members (apologies I forget who) posted that his son who worked for HMRC had said that the department had never been so efficient since staff had all moved to work from home.

Yesterday I was speaking with a technical Inspector who had 30 years in. He worked on Corporation Tax dealing with loss relief claims (resulting in repayments to SMEs.) His team are now starting to look at claims made LAST July. They are 10 months behind in making refunds to small businesses who desparately need that money. He agreed that the senior management in the Department were clueless!

HMRC is neither efficient nor over-staffed. They have serial incompetents at the head of the organisation. And who appoints those incompetents? Government ministers.

That might have been me. My son-in-law works for HMRC.

But his department is fairly specialist on imports and exports and VAT questions. He has said that he himself actually gets through more stuff when working at home. It’s not dealing with the sort of claims lodged that you are talking about.

His department, though, has just moved to a new office. Interestingly (laughably) the new office does not have anywhere near enough desks to house everybody if they all decided to turn up to work on the same day. I say laughable because for me it shows how much (or how little) Rees-Mogg knows.

But whoever made the decision to announce this so casually and therefore put hundreds of thousands of people in the civil service potentially in fear and trembling of losing their jobs is a complete ar5ewipe - it’s all about the politics and the people involved/affected don’t matter a jot.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

So would you keep them on, doing nothing

I am pretty sure it's a phase out, so the work that initially came through the door has been completed or ending.
We need to start pulling in the purse strings, it would be irresponsible not to.

You have a point on which we agree. No one wants to pay lazy bone idle shit-for-brains people. But your beloved Tory cabinet suggest this is the British workforce in general and not just civil servants, see the infamous paper from Truss, Rabb and Patel https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-19300051.amp

Given your posts, and the fact you are aBritish worker (who is obviously lazy), I presume you’ll do the honest thing and resign?

Of course, an alternative opinion is the government, and yourself, are both talking shit?

 

[The Clamp]

I am pretty sure it's a phase out, so the work that initially came through the door has been completed or ending.
We need to start pulling in the purse strings, it would be irresponsible not to.

If there are 91,000 staff with obsolete roles because the work they were recruited to do no longer exists, then I agree with you, yes.

However, I haven’t trusted this government to be upfront and honest for many years. I’m not going to start now.

 

[Marty___Mcfly]

In most public sector scenarios - jobs are cut through ‘natural wastage’ - ie freezing any new recruitment and not filling posts which become vacant. Can cause some problems and will also require rationalisation later on, but usually there are no forced redundancies.

So will probably be less dramatic than this thread suggests.

 

[vegster]

That might have been me. My son-in-law works for HMRC.

But his department is fairly specialist on imports and exports and VAT questions. He has said that he himself actually gets through more stuff when working at home. It’s not dealing with the sort of claims lodged that you are talking about.

His department, though, has just moved to a new office. Interestingly (laughably) the new office does not have anywhere near enough desks to house everybody if they all decided to turn up to work on the same day. I say laughable because for me it shows how much (or how little) Rees-Mogg knows.

But whoever made the decision to announce this so casually and therefore put hundreds of thousands of people in the civil service potentially in fear and trembling of losing their jobs is a complete ar5ewipe - it’s all about the politics and the people involved/affected don’t matter a jot.

As you say, it's just a political move to grab a headline. This government are masters of spin, deflection, lies and Dead Cats. An awful lot of Civil Servants will have to be re-employed in HM Customs for our post Brexit border checks when they are eventually implemented.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

If there are 91,000 staff with obsolete roles because the work they were recruited to do no longer exists, then I agree with you, yes.

However, I haven’t trusted this government to be upfront and honest for many years. I’m not going to start now.

I totally get the trust factor, but all governments will spin to suit themselves. I never fully vote on honesty, I vote on many other factors.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

You have a point on which we agree. No one wants to pay lazy bone idle shit-for-brains people. But your beloved Tory cabinet suggest this is the British workforce in general and not just civil servants, see the infamous paper from Truss, Rabb and Patel https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-19300051.amp

Given your posts, and the fact you are aBritish worker (who is obviously lazy), I presume you’ll do the honest thing and resign?

Of course, an alternative opinion is the government, and yourself, are both talking shit?

No discussion is to be had with you as it would be sapping as you clearly have no respect for others.

As you may have seen I am prepared to fly the Europe flag, because they have understood at last the Brits and Boris are supporting Ukraine, it was never personal that we left them, we can work with them under our own rules.

God bless macron.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I totally get the trust factor, but all governments will spin to suit themselves. I never fully vote on honesty, I vote on many other factors.

I would imagine from your previous posts it would be things like Food prices, Not giving dodgy contracts to mates, protecting the Economy, Managing heating and gas costs, Successfully focusing on protecting the population from harm, Not encouraging raging Inflation, Looking after the poorest, managing Petrol costs, Abiding by the laws you make, Avoiding recession, Handling Immigrants humanely, alongside simple core principles such as Honesty. Those sort of other factors

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

No discussion is to be had with you as it would be sapping as you clearly have no respect for others.

I have enough respect for others to NOT tar 91,000 government workers as lazy.

 

[goldstone]

As you say, it's just a political move to grab a headline. This government are masters of spin, deflection, lies and Dead Cats. .....

Correction, ALL governments are masters of spin, deflection, lies, etc