[News] Civil Service jobs

[Peteinblack]

If we can manage with 91,000 fewer civil service it begs the question as to why they were employed in the first place?

How do you know we can do without them?

This sounds like another 'dead cat' (like the recent Rwanda announcement) to divert and distract attention away from party-gate, the latest fines, and the Tories loss of 500 seats in last week's local elections. Bashing civil servants always plays well with the Gammons and Daily Mail readers.

Seems like you've fallen for it, as will many more - just as Johnson and Rees-Smugg planned. Following this week's claim that people can make a meal for just 30p, they really are taking the p*** out of the gullible English electorate; they're gaslighting us.

Oh, and I wonder how many of those cheering this announcement will - without any irony - complain if there are suddenly 91,000 ex-civil servants claiming unemployment-related welfare benefits.

Try to think beyond the simplistic or sensationalist Tory headlines, eh?

 

[clapham_gull]

... it begs the question as to why they were employed in the first place?

Surely a question for the Government ?

 

[Peteinblack]

Several items regularly missed from the "savings" are: severance pay, loss of revenue from taxation/National insurance, costs of paying universal credit to those made redundant.
The headline number is always massively overstated.

The government saves far less money from making cuts, than it would make from trying to grow the economy.
Austerity policies don't work, they just serve a political agenda.

Also ignored is the impact on the local economies where the 91,000 civil servants live - 91,000 people with reduced disposable income after redundancy, and so spending less in local shops and amenities, so more local businesses and shops likely to go under - having recently struggled through Covid lockdowns.

Tories just don't think beyond the next tabloid-pleasing headline.

 

[WATFORD zero]

How do you know we can do without them?

This sounds like another 'dead cat' (like the recent Rwanda announcement) to divert and distract attention away from party-gate, the latest fines, and the Tories loss of 500 seats in last week's local elections. Bashing civil servants always plays well with the Gammons and Daily Mail readers.

Seems like you've fallen for it, as will many more - just as Johnson and Rees-Smugg planned. Following this week's claim that people can make a meal for just 30p, they really are taking the p*** out of the gullible English electorate; they're gaslighting us.

Oh, and I wonder how many of those cheering this announcement will - without any irony - complain if there are suddenly 91,000 ex-civil servants claiming unemployment-related welfare benefits.

Try to think beyond the simplistic or sensationalist Tory headlines, eh?

I shouldn't think we are far off the old 'bring back hanging' dead cat at this rate.

And the same people will lap that up, just like they did Brexit, Rwanda, Beergate, Cutting Civil Servants etc etc and then wonder why their lives are getting worse day by day as inflation rages, the cost of living spirals ever upward, we plunge into recession, we constantly break the agreements we have signed, and break international laws becoming outcasts.

Joseph de Maistre was absolutely right

 

[Peteinblack]

I shouldn't think we are far off the old 'bring back hanging' dead cat at this rate.

And the same people will lap that up, just like they did Brexit, Rwanda, Beergate, Cutting Civil Servants etc etc and then wonder why their lives are getting worse day by day as inflation rages, the cost of living spirals ever upward, we plunge into recession, we constantly break the agreements we have signed, and break international laws becoming outcasts.

Joseph de Maistre was absolutely right

"What does it matter, after all, if by humiliating one's mind one succeeds in dominating every one? I discovered in myself sweet dreams of oppression.” Albert Camus, The Fall.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Criminal cases now taking three years to get to court, courts falling to bits for lack of repairs, police not actually catching the crooks, and Probation privatised, which was a mess, so reviewed and taken back.
Yes, the Civil Service is in a mess, but the government intended it to be this way.

 

[The Clamp]

Its all about finding enemies

Single mothers with flat screen tellies
EU Nationals
Fireman
Junior doctors
Teachers
Lefty Lawyers
Anyone at the BBC or CH4
Anyone daring to work from home

And on and on...

Quite. A few weeks ago on here Someone tried to tell us owning a fridge was a sign of wealth.

 

[Wardy's twin]

Back in the 90s early 00s, I had the same experience in many corporate companies.
It isn't a phenomena exclusive of the public sector, it is common across many aspects of the British office worker.

Have you ever looked at any government/council outside works , people standing around watching the digger or indeed not there after closing/reducing the amount of traffic. It's not just office workers. People of all skills tend to shirk if either they are not incentivised properly.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Talking of public servants, this is what is happening.

: Richmond upon Thames College in West London is threatening to fire and rehire 127 teachers – their entire teaching staff - unless they sign new contracts which give them 10 days less leave.

Fire-and-rehire is spreading.

 

[R. Slicker]

When the Blonde sex yeti said 'Jobs, Jobs, Jobs' is the way out of the cost of living crisis.
I thought he meant creating them.

 

[Bodian]

Have you ever looked at any government/council outside works , people standing around watching the digger or indeed not there after closing/reducing the amount of traffic. It's not just office workers. People of all skills tend to shirk if either they are not incentivised properly.

Most 'council outside works' are actually done by private companies (contractors like Amey, etc) - not many in-house streetwork teams nowadays to be fair.

 

[Frutos]

https://youtu.be/JGXwpO6Ou-4

 

[Uh_huh_him]

There is a myth propagated by the media, that cuts in government spending is due to "inefficiencies",
It's a political lie that just shows which side of the political agenda you support.

The reality is that we all pay tax to provide us with the services we need.
Any cutback will affect the quality of those services, regardless of your perception of how good those services are, or how lazy the people providing those services seem.

We aren't getting any of our tax money back as a result of these cuts.
It can only be a bad thing for us, and yet a proportion of the electorate, will see it as a positive.

 

[GT49er]

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And, from personal experience, that is EXACTLY how the Civil Service (and TBF local government and the NHS too) do it. Committees will be set up to decide how to achieve the required redundancies (hint: it won't be the people sitting on the committees that get the push!)

So, they'll all just award each other huge contracts for supplying answerphones that explain that they're having an unrecedented level of calls at the moment but they will answer your call as soon as they can - and do you know you can find all we think you ought to know (but not what you want to know because you've probably looked and the answer isn't there, which is why you're trying to ring us anyway) on our website www. .........

Then they make all the people that answer the phones redundant.............................

 

[dsr-burnley]

There is a myth propagated by the media, that cuts in government spending is due to "inefficiencies",
It's a political lie that just shows which side of the political agenda you support.

The reality is that we all pay tax to provide us with the services we need.
Any cutback will affect the quality of those services, regardless of your perception of how good those services are, or how lazy the people providing those services seem.

We aren't getting any of our tax money back as a result of these cuts.
It can only be a bad thing for us, and yet a proportion of the electorate, will see it as a positive.

But increased spending doesn't seem to improve the quality of those services, does it. Government spending is now the highest proportion of GDP since the 1950's. Is it reflected in the most effective and efficient provision of services?

 

[clapham_gull]

But increased spending doesn't seem to improve the quality of those services, does it. Government spending is now the highest proportion of GDP since the 1950's. Is it reflected in the most effective and efficient provision of services?

Best ask The Tories, they've been in power 12 years and massively increased the size of the civil service.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Best ask The Tories, they've been in power 12 years and massively increased the size of the civil service.

I know. And it's time they realised what a waste of money that was.

 

[Wardy's twin]

Most 'council outside works' are actually done by private companies (contractors like Amey, etc) - not many in-house streetwork teams nowadays to be fair.

agreed - the point is that 'slack working' is not restricted to the Civil Service .

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Its almost as if there is an election in the air. This sort of thing always goes down well with the Daily Mail. It’s almost a battle cry of cutting red tape etc. They are all in favour of less civil servants until they can’t get their passport renewed in time for the skiing holiday. Some things never change.

A perfect excuse to privatise the passport office. I'm sure Meller Designs would put in a bid.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...164m-in-ppe-contracts-after-vip-lane-referral

Other contracts have only recently been disclosed (despite Johnson lying that they were in the public domain).

https://goodlawproject.org/news/gov-publishes-40-ppe-contracts/

I sense an excellent money making opportunity for loyal conservative donors, here.

That said, whataboutjeremycorbyn? Eh?

 

[Uh_huh_him]

But increased spending doesn't seem to improve the quality of those services, does it. Government spending is now the highest proportion of GDP since the 1950's. Is it reflected in the most effective and efficient provision of services?

Hmm ..probably not a reflection on efficiency more down to the costs incurred by the recent pandemic....
Public spending in comparison to GDP has been going down for a long time, prior to the pandemic.
This is why the quality of the services has been going down
And yet there has not been any improvement to the economy as a result of the the cuts.

So why do we need to make cuts?
Will that somehow make these services efficient?
Or will it just continue to make the services appear to be even worse, allowing the government to bring in private enterprise to "run" the services more efficiently..

This game has been going on for decades and we're still falling for it.