Christian parents caught disowning and beating their son

[Phat Baz 68]

I think you make a judgement without knowing the full story, I would question what he hoped to achieve by secretly filming whilst perhaps cleverly antagonising and provoking his relatives, and then putting on youtube or facebook etc, but it would appear he succeeds with you.

Are you for real So the lad is deliberately antagonising his relatives by telling them he is gay ??
What hope has this world got with people like you in it

 

[gregbrighton]

The original 'pastoral' video:

 

[Surrey_Albion]

But we have free choice thank goodness and need to be tolerant of other peoples, unless they are extreme.

If we are all tolerant of belief, sexuality and views, wouldn't the world be a better place?

But people arent tolent hence why so many fall out and take offence the world would be a better place without it we might all realise we only have one life and actually take care of our lives

 

[armchairclubber]

Are you for real So the lad is deliberately antagonising his relatives by telling them he is gay ??
What hope has this world got with people like you in it

Some posts don't deserve reply but seems you may either not have watched the video clip (which to me show other antagonising factors), or you haven't read through the other posts which would explain my view. Best jump to your own conclusions though eh. I prefer when people listen to a point of view rather than twisting it for their own cause.

Particular post from dingodan may enlighten a little to those who like to question things or with some wisdom. Here's hoping.

 

[armchairclubber]

Yeah its alright [MENTION=29908]gregbrighton[/MENTION], I think I get the fact that as you're the OP i'm gonna get a thumbs down on everything I post, just about come to terms with that thanks

 

[hart's shirt]

18 seconds into the clip, the mother tells her son that she wants him to know that she loves him.

Whilst she may not agree with his homosexuality, she can still love him, as indeed she should both as a mother and a Christian.

It's a real shame that the latter part of the video has overshadowed the former.

And, with hindsight, it's possible the parents may have wished the video to have finished there.

 

[Deadly Danson]

18 seconds into the clip, the mother tells her son that she wants him to know that she loves him.

Whilst she may not agree with his homosexuality, she can still love him, as indeed she should both as a mother and a Christian.

It's a real shame that the latter part of the video has overshadowed the former.

And, with hindsight, it's possible the parents may have wished the video to have finished there.

She loves him so much she wants him to move out!!

Religion is total and utter, absurd, fairytale nonsense and in the hands of morons becomes a tool for evil, injustice and idiocy. But as an atheist, I would have thought if you believe in God you'd believe that he loves everyone.

 

[armchairclubber]

You absolute bellend, do us a favour and keep your ludicrous views to yourself in the future grandad.

Are you for real So the lad is deliberately antagonising his relatives by telling them he is gay ??
What hope has this world got with people like you in it

She loves him so much she wants him to move out!!

Religion is total and utter, absurd, fairytale nonsense and in the hands of morons becomes a tool for evil, injustice and idiocy. But as an atheist, I would have thought if you believe in God you'd believe that he loves everyone.

It always amazes me what atheists think Christians should believe, but yes I think I can vouch for the fact that Christians believe that God loves everyone.

 

[hart's shirt]

She loves him so much she wants him to move out!!

Firstly, IMHO it's clear that she does love him. Why else would she be so emotional about it?

It's possibly more the case that she's taking the 'not under my roof' position.

Perhaps she'd view tolerating homosexuality by allowing him to stay as condoning it?

 

[Deadly Danson]

Firstly, IMHO it's clear that she does love him. Why else would she be so emotional about it?

It's possibly more the case that she's taking the 'not under my roof' position.

Perhaps she'd view tolerating homosexuality by allowing him to stay as condoning it?

Perhaps both of these are correct. But it means she loves religion more than her son and she places more value in not condoning homosexuality than showing love and compassion towards her son.

 

[Husty]

It always amazes me what atheists think Christians should believe, but yes I think I can vouch for the fact that Christians believe that God loves everyone.

I'm not an atheist.

 

[armchairclubber]

You absolute bellend, do us a favour and keep your ludicrous views to yourself in the future grandad.

I'm not an atheist.

What's so funny about that ?

 

[French Seagull]

Religion is total and utter, absurd, fairytale nonsense and in the hands of morons becomes a tool for evil, injustice and idiocy. But as an atheist, I would have thought if you believe in God you'd believe that he loves everyone.

Worleys view does not represent most Christians view. The parents are totally wrong. I think your view of religion is very 'strong' you are entitled to your opinion and I fully respect that, but people should be allowed to believe what they wish in this 'free' country if it does not harm anyone else surely? I am happy to shake your hand and respect that you are an atheist, I agree religion can be 'used' (as politics and many other things) for evil.

All I would ask that you can respect that I should be allowed to believe if I so wish and that to me it is not absurd, fairytale nonsense. In a free country we all have a choice or shouldn't we?

 

[Deadly Danson]

Worleys view does not represent most Christians view. The parents are totally wrong. I think your view of religion is very 'strong' you are entitled to your opinion and I fully respect that, but people should be allowed to believe what they wish in this 'free' country if it does not harm anyone else surely? I am happy to shake your hand and respect that you are an atheist, I agree religion can be 'used' (as politics and many other things) for evil.

All I would ask that you can respect that I should be allowed to believe if I so wish and that to me it is not absurd, fairytale nonsense. In a free country we all have a choice or shouldn't we?

100% correct and a good post. Of course everyone should have a choice and as long as religion doesn't affect me in any negative way I have absolutely no problem with you or anybody of any religion who has respect for their fellow human.

 

[Husty]

What's so funny about that ?

The fact you think the opinion I expressed has anything to do with my religious viewpoint, im simply condemning your attempted justification of homophobia and violence towards children by their parents.

Like I said, you're clearly a bellend.

 

[armchairclubber]

You absolute bellend, do us a favour and keep your ludicrous views to yourself in the future grandad.

The fact you think the opinion I expressed has anything to do with my religious viewpoint, im simply condemning your attempted justification of homophobia and violence towards children by their parents.

Like I said, you're clearly a bellend.

Look through the whole thread again, I don't justify homophobia or violence towards children in any way, perhaps you would like to explain your religious viewpoint as your twisting of my views leaves me thinking that you are slightly twisted yourself

 

[gregbrighton]

All I would ask that you can respect that I should be allowed to believe if I so wish and that to me it is not absurd, fairytale nonsense. In a free country we all have a choice or shouldn't we?

But, in the same breath, people are entitled to their views even if you don't agree with them. It's called free speech.

It wasn't all that long ago when the Christian Church forbade anyone who spoke out against it and their doctrines. They were labelled as heretics and were imprisoned or killed for their anti-Christian views. Even today, in Africa and the Middle-East, gay people are being imprisoned and executed because they dared to speak out or act against Christian or Muslim faith teachings.

 

[hart's shirt]

But it means she loves religion more than her son and she places more value in not condoning homosexuality than showing love and compassion towards her son.

I hear what you're saying and don't disagree entirely. Even though she didn't know she was being filmed, it wasn't handled at all well and emotions ran high. It must be a tough position for her - she would be concerned about compromising her faith.

To balance things up a little here video-wise and to add another angle, might I politely suggest a quick view of John Piper's video about Gay Teen Bullying. It starts off with a heart-wrenching account of a 14 year old who took his own life as a result of being bullied. I should say that it comes from a unashamedly Christian viewpoint with accompanying biblical references, but Piper is humble and deeply moved in his thoughts and reflections here.

Thankfully it's a far cry from the hateful attitude shown by the minister in the second video posted earlier in the thread. That was shameful to watch and even worse to hear a defense made of what he said by the member. It's not a true representation of what Christianity is about. Besides, as Jesus didn't have a lot of time for pious, hypocritical religious people in his day, he would have undoubtedly been on the other side of the fence, well away from the self-righteous.

 

[Husty]

Look through the whole thread again, I don't justify homophobia or violence towards children in any way, perhaps you would like to explain your religious viewpoint as your twisting of my views leaves me thinking that you are slightly twisted yourself

Clearly you do though, you argue the child provoked the reactions and in doing so you're attempting to shift blame for what happened over to the child.

Since you're interested, I'm somewhere in the region of an Apathetic agnostic.

 

[gregbrighton]

I hear what you're saying and don't disagree entirely. Even though she didn't know she was being filmed, it wasn't handled at all well and emotions ran high. It must be a tough position for her - she would be concerned about compromising her faith.

To balance things up a little here video-wise and to add another angle, might I politely suggest a quick view of John Piper's video about Gay Teen Bullying. It starts off with a heart-wrenching account of a 14 year old who took his own life as a result of being bullied. I should say that it comes from a unashamedly Christian viewpoint with accompanying biblical references, but Piper is humble and deeply moved in his thoughts and reflections here.

Thankfully it's a far cry from the hateful attitude shown by the minister in the second video posted earlier in the thread. That was shameful to watch and even worse to hear a defense made of what he said by the member. It's not a true representation of what Christianity is about. Besides, as Jesus didn't have a lot of time for pious, hypocritical religious people in his day, he would have undoubtedly been on the other side of the fence, well away from the self-righteous.

I thought the video was fine until it got to the bit where 'homosexual practices is sinful'. I don't believe it is anymore a sin than heterosexual practices.