Can I film the police with no reason?

[Aadam]

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

No.

 

[KneeOn]

No.

Incorrect. Sound is created by the movement of particles. so yes, it made a sound. Particles of air would have been moved by the force of the tree falling and hitting the ground.

 

[Poyetry In Motion]

Yes, you can but I think you'll find Sting, Andy and Stewart broke up 25 years ago

 

[Aadam]

Incorrect. Sound is created by the movement of particles. so yes, it made a sound. Particles of air would have been moved by the force of the tree falling and hitting the ground.

Wrong.

Moving particles only become sound when there is an ear to receive them and transmit them to the brain to recognise it. The falling of the tree will ONLY produce vibration of the air. If there be no ears to hear, there will be no sound.

It's simple science.

 

[Nibble]

Wrong.

Moving particles only become sound when there is an ear to receive them and transmit them to the brain to recognise it. The falling of the tree will ONLY produce vibration of the air. If there be no ears to hear, there will be no sound.

It's simple science.

Truthspeak

 

[dingodan]

Wrong place

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Wrong.

Moving particles only become sound when there is an ear to receive them and transmit them to the brain to recognise it. The falling of the tree will ONLY produce vibration of the air. If there be no ears to hear, there will be no sound.

It's simple science.

What if it recorded on a tape player.

 

[Nibble]

I got a right grilling from a couple of policepersons when filming the March for England or whatever it was called that Das Reich was insisting was a "family day out". I went along to observe formyself. I was filming the police doing absolutely nothing as the lovely family men were giving the Nazi salute to an Asian photographer on Queens Rd. I would say they held the salute for about the entire 2nd half of Queens Road while I was being given the ninth degree over why I was filming the Nazis and the Police, who I was with, what was in my wallet (?) etc etc, the entire time ignoring the Nazi salutes as they grilled me. Pathetic.

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

Wrong.

Moving particles only become sound when there is an ear to receive them and transmit them to the brain to recognise it. The falling of the tree will ONLY produce vibration of the air. If there be no ears to hear, there will be no sound.

It's simple science.

Disagree!

Complete absence of any ears will not stop the sound, as a microphone could still detect.

Any vibration of the air is sound - the ear is merely a mechanism to convert the vibration into a signal the brain can translate to "hear" the sound.
Bit like the arguemnet of a dog whistle - does it make a sound? Hell yeah, we [humans] just can't hear it.
And, just because you didn't see something, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

All we are lacking is proof / evidence.

 

[Bold Seagull]

What if it recorded on a tape player.

Microphones or sound receiver are a type of transducer - a device which converts energy from one form to another. Microphones convert acoustical energy (sound waves) into electrical energy (the audio signal).

Different types of microphone have different ways of converting energy but they all share one thing in common: The diaphragm. This is a thin piece of material (such as paper, plastic or aluminium) which vibrates when it is struck by sound waves. In a typical hand-held mic like the one below, the diaphragm is located in the head of the microphone.

Ears work in a similar way with the ear drum.

Sound is a mechanical wave that is an oscillation of pressure transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas, composed of frequencies within the range of hearing and of a level sufficiently strong to be heard, or the sensation stimulated in organs of hearing by such vibrations.

There is no sound unless something or someone is present to hear it. In their absence it is only air movement.

 

[Mellotron]

No.

Yes. Stick a video camera in the forest and that will prove it.

 

[Aadam]

What if it recorded on a tape player.

Same, no sound. The vibration would cause movement of the diaphragm in the microphone, but there wouldn't be a sound associated unless someone/thing was there to perceive it.

 

[Aadam]

Disagree!

Complete absence of any ears will not stop the sound, as a microphone could still detect.

Any vibration of the air is sound - the ear is merely a mechanism to convert the vibration into a signal the brain can translate to "hear" the sound.
Bit like the arguemnet of a dog whistle - does it make a sound? Hell yeah, we [humans] just can't hear it.
And, just because you didn't see something, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

All we are lacking is proof / evidence.

Really? It seems people have their own opinions, but what is 'sound'? It is a mechanical wave that is an oscillation of pressure transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas, composed of frequencies within the range of hearing and of a level sufficiently strong to be heard, or the sensation stimulated in organs of hearing by such vibrations.

Therefore if you cannot hear a dog whistle, and there is no dog to hear it, it didn't make a sound, it just passed vibrations through the air.

 

[Mellotron]

If someone farts and no one else is around, does it smell?

 

[Aadam]

Yes. Stick a video camera in the forest and that will prove it.

But there is only a sound when you listen back. Until then, like the video itself, it's just electrical information, awaiting interpretation into video and sound.

 

[Nibble]

The sound of space would be deafeningly unbearable if there was any atmosphere to carry sound. This is a space fact. I think. at least I heard that somewhere. Or did I?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Disagree!

Any vibration of the air is sound - the ear is merely a mechanism to convert the vibration into a signal the brain can translate to "hear" the sound.
Bit like the arguemnet of a dog whistle - does it make a sound? Hell yeah, we [humans] just can't hear it.
And, just because you didn't see something, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

All we are lacking is proof / evidence.

Without the ear, it is just vibration. You only know the dog whistle makes a sound due to the reaction of the dog. Without a dog it doesn't make a sound. Sound is therefore perception. Without perception, you cannot prove it exists.

Light is different as it travels in a wave-particle duality - i.e. photons exist whether someone is there to see them or not. Light is a universal truth, sound exists only because we perceive it.

 

[Mellotron]

But there is only a sound when you listen back. Until then, like the video itself, it's just electrical information, awaiting interpretation into video and sound.

By this logic, do you feel the same about other senses? If a hot curry is made somewhere no one can reach it, does it still smell of hot curry, or of nothing?

 

[Bold Seagull]

By this logic, do you feel the same about other senses? If a hot curry is made somewhere no one can reach it, does it still smell of hot curry, or of nothing?

Again, smell is simply a perception same as sound. It is only smelling as it is perceived to do so. Imagine the world pre-life, there is no sound or smell because there is nothing to perceive the information which is simply vibrations and particles in the air.

Light on the other hand is a universal truth and exists regardless of perception, as does matter.

 

[Mellotron]

I want to find a concept that disproves this, but I can't as of yet.