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Cameron Ruins Brown



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Economic Responsibility the David Cameron Way







Without hesitation, deviation and little if any repetition David Cameron tore ten years of New Labour economic policy apart limb by limb. It was an excellent performance by the Tory Party leader who had Shadow Chancellor, George Osborne sitting by his side to hold his hand. In the event Cameron hardly needed Osborne at all save to put some meat on the odd question that later arose. Before I go any further and ignoring the justified criticism of failed Brown policies let me just remind of the main points of the Cameron speech in regard to future Tory policy:



1. Creation of the ‘Office of Budget Responsibility which would be independent of government acting to ensure full government transparency and holding ministers to account. It would have significantly more power than Commons Select Committees and presumably also the National Audit Office as well.



2. Tough regulation of the banking and financial sector, tighter controls over bank lending, link pay plans to overall bank risk and to make mortgage lenders and rating agencies take greater responsibility for their actions and called for changes in the insolvency laws to protect sound but struggling businesses.





Explaining some of these plans in slightly more detail than before it is clear that while Cameron would intend to give both the Bank of England and the FSA greater powers if he won the next election he is intent to place a far greater level of dependence on his proposed ‘Office of Government Responsibility’ to ensure that when it comes to the government role in this it will be steered by what this new independent body decides. While calling for a big shift in banking and financial market regulation Cameron implied that what we need is better and wider regulation as opposed to more of it. While the centre of his attack was reserved for how in his view the Brown government had fundamentally failed for the past ten years building an economy based on home building, financial services and government spending his implied criticism of the regulatory authorities and particularly of the rating agencies was easily observed. Interestingly, whilst there were clear signals of strengthening the Bank of England and FSA hands Cameron did not say however that the Tripartite Agreement would be finally laid down to rest.





Whilst a good part of the speech this morning was reserved for what the Conservative Party would do if it gained office the majority was reserved as an out and out attack on ten years of failed New Labour economics. Embracing free market economics without understanding how it worked and that led to inevitable and irresponsible capitalism Cameron said the that Mr. Brown had spent and borrowed without constraint and, without actually saying it, that had encouraged the public to do the same. Brown had believed in Cameron’s view that he had ended the boom and bust cycle and that the good times would last forever. In summary whilst accepting that this crisis had its roots in similarly failed policies in the US Cameron’s view was essentially a total condemnation of the complete and utter failure of Labour’s economic record. We had failed to regulate public and private debt. Accepting that it would take years to remedy this one must assume there is a strong hint in this that the Conservatives would be in no position to cut taxation until the balance of public spending and public borrowing is under control.



Comment:

Rightly, Cameron made no apology for supporting the Brown measures to resolve difficulties in the capital market system and bank re-capitalisation. But quite clearly this attack on Brown, however justified, can only be seen as an attempt to steal back the initiative that Brown gained this past week since the UK and European bail out plans were announced. Cameron certainly came out fighting and whilst some of his specific ideas lack meat they lack no merit. But are they achievable? Ultimately they are but maybe not in a single parliamentary term of five years. Somehow Cameron must put over to the electorate that there is no quick fix. Economic Responsibility is a fine aim but one can easily argue that achieving it in government is never as easy as stating the obvious when in opposition. Calls for improved regulation are of course to be welcomed and they do appear to along the right lines but we need to remember that the Conservative Party was the first to call for deregulation. Rightly, Cameron appears intent to leave certain of the changes that Brown imposed back in 1997 - such as giving the Bank of England responsibility over interest rate policy – alone but as yet he has said little as to how he would stimulate the economy. His new Office of Budget Responsibility could prove to be a hindrance in this but hopefully not. Overall this was though an excellent display of political intention and leadership and it fully deserves to win the day.
 






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Economic Responsibility the David Cameron Way







Without hesitation, deviation and little if any repetition David Cameron tore ten years of New Labour economic policy apart limb by limb. It was an excellent performance by the Tory Party leader who had Shadow Chancellor, George Osborne sitting by his side to hold his hand. In the event Cameron hardly needed Osborne at all save to put some meat on the odd question that later arose. Before I go any further and ignoring the justified criticism of failed Brown policies let me just remind of the main points of the Cameron speech in regard to future Tory policy:



1. Creation of the ‘Office of Budget Responsibility which would be independent of government acting to ensure full government transparency and holding ministers to account. It would have significantly more power than Commons Select Committees and presumably also the National Audit Office as well.



2. Tough regulation of the banking and financial sector, tighter controls over bank lending, link pay plans to overall bank risk and to make mortgage lenders and rating agencies take greater responsibility for their actions and called for changes in the insolvency laws to protect sound but struggling businesses.





Explaining some of these plans in slightly more detail than before it is clear that while Cameron would intend to give both the Bank of England and the FSA greater powers if he won the next election he is intent to place a far greater level of dependence on his proposed ‘Office of Government Responsibility’ to ensure that when it comes to the government role in this it will be steered by what this new independent body decides. While calling for a big shift in banking and financial market regulation Cameron implied that what we need is better and wider regulation as opposed to more of it. While the centre of his attack was reserved for how in his view the Brown government had fundamentally failed for the past ten years building an economy based on home building, financial services and government spending his implied criticism of the regulatory authorities and particularly of the rating agencies was easily observed. Interestingly, whilst there were clear signals of strengthening the Bank of England and FSA hands Cameron did not say however that the Tripartite Agreement would be finally laid down to rest.





Whilst a good part of the speech this morning was reserved for what the Conservative Party would do if it gained office the majority was reserved as an out and out attack on ten years of failed New Labour economics. Embracing free market economics without understanding how it worked and that led to inevitable and irresponsible capitalism Cameron said the that Mr. Brown had spent and borrowed without constraint and, without actually saying it, that had encouraged the public to do the same. Brown had believed in Cameron’s view that he had ended the boom and bust cycle and that the good times would last forever. In summary whilst accepting that this crisis had its roots in similarly failed policies in the US Cameron’s view was essentially a total condemnation of the complete and utter failure of Labour’s economic record. We had failed to regulate public and private debt. Accepting that it would take years to remedy this one must assume there is a strong hint in this that the Conservatives would be in no position to cut taxation until the balance of public spending and public borrowing is under control.



Comment:

Rightly, Cameron made no apology for supporting the Brown measures to resolve difficulties in the capital market system and bank re-capitalisation. But quite clearly this attack on Brown, however justified, can only be seen as an attempt to steal back the initiative that Brown gained this past week since the UK and European bail out plans were announced. Cameron certainly came out fighting and whilst some of his specific ideas lack meat they lack no merit. But are they achievable? Ultimately they are but maybe not in a single parliamentary term of five years. Somehow Cameron must put over to the electorate that there is no quick fix. Economic Responsibility is a fine aim but one can easily argue that achieving it in government is never as easy as stating the obvious when in opposition. Calls for improved regulation are of course to be welcomed and they do appear to along the right lines but we need to remember that the Conservative Party was the first to call for deregulation. Rightly, Cameron appears intent to leave certain of the changes that Brown imposed back in 1997 - such as giving the Bank of England responsibility over interest rate policy – alone but as yet he has said little as to how he would stimulate the economy. His new Office of Budget Responsibility could prove to be a hindrance in this but hopefully not. Overall this was though an excellent display of political intention and leadership and it fully deserves to win the day.

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Gazwag

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Its the easist job in the world being leader of the opposition - all you have to do is disagree with the leader of the party in power and say how much better you would do if you were in power. You then toddle off home to the wife thanking god you are a leader of the opposition in England and not Zimbabwee.
 


Bevendean Hillbilly

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Howdoes any of that drivel "ruin Brown?"

Why did he just not say "Goverments can't be trusted, especially not any future Tory one, so lets have an independant,unelected group to Police it, then when we screw up we can say they should have stopped us getting it wrong"
 


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Howdoes any of that drivel "ruin Brown?"

Why did he just not say "Goverments can't be trusted, especially not any future Tory one, so lets have an independant,unelected group to Police it, then when we screw up we can say they should have stopped us getting it wrong"
whats drivel about it ? as i'd wager the bloke that wrote it knows a f***ing sight more than you .
 




beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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So the Tories are now admitting that free-market Thatcherism based around the City of London and service industries was effectively wrong.

the Tories are conceding that Laissez-faire markets are unruly and need to be monitored and regulated to prevent them from excess. many would have always felt this anyway. Its an interesting point that Labour didnt understand the free market they embraced. witness the farce of denying dividends to holders of ordinary share (ie not preference share as issued to the government) until they are repaid, thus undermining the price of the shares and undoing much of the purpose of the goverment intervention to restore confidence an interest in the shares. went done well in northern working mens clubs, but our pensions are snookered, with the lack of income they will have to sell and reinvest money elsewhere (probably government bonds) .

what i expect to see from a Labour government thats half nationalised banks is for them to look at bringing back 1000's of call centre jobs, implement policies on protecting people from eviction and sensible targets on lending criteria. What we get is Northern Rock having the highest repossion rate and "return to '07 lending rate" and talk of job cuts. New Labour is neither one thing or the other, it doesnt understand market forces but cant remember how to run a managed economy either.
 


jcdenton08

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Oct 17, 2008
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The thread is so misleading. I had images of David Cameron somehow squatting over Brown, doing his business, on the front of The Sun.

Disturbing, disturbing images.
 


Bevendean Hillbilly

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whats drivel about it ? as i'd wager the bloke that wrote it knows a f***ing sight more than you .


Alright, how comes David cockpiece Cameron wasn't saying all this BEFORE it went tits up? because him and his shower of divs were more complicit than just about anyone else in the trough noshing over the last ten years.
 




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Alright, how comes David cockpiece Cameron wasn't saying all this BEFORE it went tits up? because him and his shower of divs were more complicit than just about anyone else in the trough noshing over the last ten years.
because it hadnt gone tits up then had it ? hindsights great isnt it ? and its becoming clearer to the general public that gordon " mouth manipulator" brown had a large f*** all to do with drawing up the banks bailout plan ,saviour of the world my arse.
 


Economic Responsibility the David Cameron Way


Without hesitation, deviation and little if any repetition David Cameron tore ten years of New Labour economic policy apart limb by limb. It was an excellent performance by the Tory Party leader who had Shadow Chancellor, George Osborne sitting by his side to hold his hand. In the event Cameron hardly needed Osborne at all save to put some meat on the odd question that later arose. Before I go any further and ignoring the justified criticism of failed Brown policies let me just remind of the main points of the Cameron speech in regard to future Tory policy:

1. Creation of the ‘Office of Budget Responsibility which would be independent of government acting to ensure full government transparency and holding ministers to account. It would have significantly more power than Commons Select Committees and presumably also the National Audit Office as well.



2. Tough regulation of the banking and financial sector, tighter controls over bank lending, link pay plans to overall bank risk and to make mortgage lenders and rating agencies take greater responsibility for their actions and called for changes in the insolvency laws to protect sound but struggling businesses.





Explaining some of these plans in slightly more detail than before it is clear that while Cameron would intend to give both the Bank of England and the FSA greater powers if he won the next election he is intent to place a far greater level of dependence on his proposed ‘Office of Government Responsibility’ to ensure that when it comes to the government role in this it will be steered by what this new independent body decides. While calling for a big shift in banking and financial market regulation Cameron implied that what we need is better and wider regulation as opposed to more of it. While the centre of his attack was reserved for how in his view the Brown government had fundamentally failed for the past ten years building an economy based on home building, financial services and government spending his implied criticism of the regulatory authorities and particularly of the rating agencies was easily observed. Interestingly, whilst there were clear signals of strengthening the Bank of England and FSA hands Cameron did not say however that the Tripartite Agreement would be finally laid down to rest.





Whilst a good part of the speech this morning was reserved for what the Conservative Party would do if it gained office the majority was reserved as an out and out attack on ten years of failed New Labour economics. Embracing free market economics without understanding how it worked and that led to inevitable and irresponsible capitalism Cameron said the that Mr. Brown had spent and borrowed without constraint and, without actually saying it, that had encouraged the public to do the same. Brown had believed in Cameron’s view that he had ended the boom and bust cycle and that the good times would last forever. In summary whilst accepting that this crisis had its roots in similarly failed policies in the US Cameron’s view was essentially a total condemnation of the complete and utter failure of Labour’s economic record. We had failed to regulate public and private debt. Accepting that it would take years to remedy this one must assume there is a strong hint in this that the Conservatives would be in no position to cut taxation until the balance of public spending and public borrowing is under control.



Comment:

Rightly, Cameron made no apology for supporting the Brown measures to resolve difficulties in the capital market system and bank re-capitalisation. But quite clearly this attack on Brown, however justified, can only be seen as an attempt to steal back the initiative that Brown gained this past week since the UK and European bail out plans were announced. Cameron certainly came out fighting and whilst some of his specific ideas lack meat they lack no merit. But are they achievable? Ultimately they are but maybe not in a single parliamentary term of five years. Somehow Cameron must put over to the electorate that there is no quick fix. Economic Responsibility is a fine aim but one can easily argue that achieving it in government is never as easy as stating the obvious when in opposition. Calls for improved regulation are of course to be welcomed and they do appear to along the right lines but we need to remember that the Conservative Party was the first to call for deregulation. Rightly, Cameron appears intent to leave certain of the changes that Brown imposed back in 1997 - such as giving the Bank of England responsibility over interest rate policy – alone but as yet he has said little as to how he would stimulate the economy. His new Office of Budget Responsibility could prove to be a hindrance in this but hopefully not. Overall this was though an excellent display of political intention and leadership and it fully deserves to win the day.

But what (if anything) would Dishy Dave have done differently over the past 5 years or so?
To pretend that any PM of this country could have headed off this GLOBAL credit crunch and the ensuing financial ding-dong is naive in the extreme.
 


Bevendean Hillbilly

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because it hadnt gone tits up then had it ? hindsights great isnt it ? and its becoming clearer to the general public that gordon " mouth manipulator" brown had a large f*** all to do with drawing up the banks bailout plan ,saviour of the world my arse.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing indeed, Which kind of defeats your point seeing as Cameron has employed a shit load of it here.
 






Bevendean Hillbilly

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i was quoting the hindsight you employed in your earlier post.

Alls I'm saying is that "Dave" can rack on all he likes about "Fiscal responsibility" now, but no one is surely STUPID enough to think that if he was in charge for the last ten years that Britain would not be even deeper in the shite than we are now.

The mans a nit wit.
 


bullshit detector

Back in the garage
Nov 18, 2003
194
Bollocks. Close down the Stock Exchange, it's pointless. Nationalise all the banks, and the utilities,expropriate the assets of foreign billionaires resident in the UK to help poor families struggling with reposession and unemployment.
Make capitalism pay for its own crisis!

Methinks there are going to be some tasty demos in the City in the next few weeks....run, banker, run!
 










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