[Albion] Caicedo or £100M

[Bozza]

The thing is, Moises can do so much better than Chelsea. Much better. Much, much better. Stay here for another year, enjoy our European adventure and the experience that will give him, continue to develop under a brilliant coach, then go to a proper prestigious club if he still is keen. With hindsight, he’ll thank Brighton for saving him from himself.

I'm not going to argue the toss on what is and isn't a prestigious club, but the US fixtures illustrate the dramatic difference in scale between the two clubs.

The Chelsea game was, essentially, a home game for them.

The Brentford game was played out in front to a near-empty stadium before the fans, who could have watched our game, arrived to watch Chelsea take on Newcastle.

I'm also not sure how anyone is sure all these "proper clubs" will be lining up for him a year from now. Why aren't they all piling in now, when he's there for the taking? Caicedo is a specific type of player, and is exceptionally good at what he does. World class in fact. But in two transfer windows to date, there's only been one club in each who have pursued him.

Where's the evidence that will all change and United, City, Liverpool, Real, PSG etc will all have decided they need him next summer?

I'm not arguing for him to leave for Chelsea, but I don't have to think too hard to understand why he very probably wants to.

 

[The Wizard]

Realistically his value can’t really decrease which leaves the club in a very strong position, especially with the new contract signed only a few months ago.

Yes he could pick up an injury but so could any player we have, you can’t plan for that and *touch wood* Moises seems to be a very low maintenance/high output player.

Bloom knows his value is highly unlikely to decrease and that makes our negotiating position very strong.

Don’t you just love being told by fans of other clubs we are being unreasonable or inflating the transfer market when the same team spent 100m each on two players totally unproven in the premier league less than a year ago, yet WE are the ones being unreasonable and inflating prices

The sheer entitledness of these glory hunting pond dwellers is absolutely hilarious.

 

[Oh_aye]

This guy gets it. Now we're talkin'

Yes.

Gilmour is looking good but Alzate/Ayari are nowhere near ready to replace the role Moises plays IMO, Gilmour is more of a creative flair midfielder, caicedo makes the whole style of play tick over with his ability to take the ball in close areas and use his strength.

Agreed. We'd need to spend a chunk of that replacing the physicality he brings. I think maybe Dahoud can do the tight area nerveless passing on early showings.

 

[The Wizard]

I'm not going to argue the toss on what is and isn't a prestigious club, but the US fixtures illustrate the dramatic difference in scale between the two clubs.

The Chelsea game was, essentially, a home game for them.

The Brentford game was played out in front to a near-empty stadium before the fans, who could have watched our game, arrived to watch Chelsea take on Newcastle.

I'm also not sure how anyone is sure all these "proper clubs" will be lining up for him a year from now. Why aren't they all piling in now, when he's there for the taking? Caicedo is a specific type of player, and is exceptionally good at what he does. World class in fact. But in two transfer windows to date, there's only been one club in each who have pursued him.

Where's the evidence that will all change and United, City, Liverpool, Real, PSG etc will all have decided they need him next summer?

I'm not arguing for him to leave for Chelsea, but I don't have to think too hard to understand why he very probably wants to.

He wants to leave because of the money, that’s the only reason, I doubt he gives a crap about Chelsea’s prestige or whatever, they are about as prestigious as any club that’s been built on blood money in the last 20 years.

Chelsea are a bigger club than us, more fans etc and can pay more wages and have won more trophies, however I still think it’s a very unstable move for Moises to make, as much as it’s weird we have European football next season, Chelsea do not, they are a club rebuilding, obviously I understand Moises wanting to move for the money but I firmly believe in a years time the Chelsea interest will probably still be there and if we have a season as good as last that will probably convince a lot more of the other ‘big’ (bigger) clubs to get involved

 

[Colonel Mustard]

If I’m playing the role of a football fan, it has to be Caicedo.
If I’m playing the role of a first team coach, it has to be Caicedo.
If I’m playing the role of a football club owner, I’d take the £100m.

Big revelation — I’m a mere football fan.

 

[Napper]

He wants to leave because of the money, that’s the only reason, I doubt he gives a crap about Chelsea’s prestige or whatever, they are about as prestigious as any club that’s been built on blood money in the last 20 years.

Chelsea are a bigger club than us, more fans etc and can pay more wages and have won more trophies, however I still think it’s a very unstable move for Moises to make, as much as it’s weird we have European football next season, Chelsea do not, they are a club rebuilding, obviously I understand Moises wanting to move for the money but I firmly believe in a years time the Chelsea interest will probably still be there and if we have a season as good as last that will probably convince a lot more of the other ‘big’ (bigger) clubs to get involved

money / profile / increased fame

A bad injury changes it all and why I understand why would cash in.

Personally , he is crucial to the way we play and I'd prefer to keep this season and see what we can achieve v £100m + .

Now if it could be guaranteed we would spend huge on a ready made replacement then I'd only then take the 90m + ( regardless of if Colwill included )

 

[Peter Grummit]

I voted Moises, would love him to stay.

However:
1)Our whole philosophy is based on a succession strategy for all the key people at the club. The idea that we wouldn't have someone earmarked to replace Moises is laughable. Delivering that player at a sensible cost will not be easy, but I'll be amazed if we aren't a fair way down that road, on a provisional basis, under an NDA.
2) Caicedo getting badly injured would be catastrophic for us and the lad in playing terms but, financially, as others have pointed out, we will have some insurance cover and, from Moises perspective, his current contract is reportedly 60k a week for 4 years, which is 12m+: not exactly poverty.

PG

 

[Bozza]

He wants to leave because of the money, that’s the only reason

Have you got a link to where he said that, out of interest?

That's rhetorical.

I'm not going to respond by stating another opinion as if it were fact, but I think the allure of joining a "big club" is every bit as enticing for Caicedo as how his bank balance will be boosted.

We're all guessing though, aren't we?

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

I find it very odd that so many people would rather have a young south American man than £100m

I could retire. I could buy a lovely ol' house. I could buy a pizza oven.

What's Moises going to do for you? Maybe a nice foot massage once in a while?

 

[The Wizard]

money / profile / increased fame

A bad injury changes it all and why I understand why would cash in.

Personally , he is crucial to the way we play and I'd prefer to keep this season and see what we can achieve v £100m + .

Now if it could be guaranteed we would spend huge on a ready made replacement then I'd only then take the 90m + ( regardless of if Colwill included )

I don’t buy the injury thing tho, you can literally say that about any player we have doesn’t mean we should sell them, Moises has a bulletproof injury record considering the way he plays.

I’m not arguing about the increased money/fame/etc but he’s 21 years old, one more season at the level he played last year and he will be one of the most desirable midfielders in world football, Chelsea is a risky move at this point IMO

 

[The Wizard]

Have you got a link to where he said that, out of interest?

That's rhetorical.

I'm not going to respond by stating another opinion as if it were fact, but I think the allure of joining a "big club" is every bit as enticing for Caicedo as how his bank balance will be boosted.

We're all guessing though, aren't we?

Given his agents actions I don’t think it’s hard to imagine he’s being led by money, which is understandable, I don’t have an issue with that as such as everyone is.

If he simply wanted to leave for the prestige/fame etc he shouldn’t have signed the new contract a few months ago, that way we’d have been forced to take a significant amount less than 100m this summer.

I got why he was desperate for the Arsenal move in some ways, at the moment they are a club who are 10x more attractive than a rebuilding Chelsea with no European football, I do hope he’s going to remain professional (he appears to be so far) as Sanchez has proved, acting unprofessionally is a red flag to potential buyers.

 

[Diablo]

From a spectators/supporters perspective Def Caicedo..... But £100m is a lot of money however you look at it. ....... And as others have said...Business decision for Barber/Bloom !!

 

[Me and my Monkey]

I'm not going to argue the toss on what is and isn't a prestigious club, but the US fixtures illustrate the dramatic difference in scale between the two clubs.

The Chelsea game was, essentially, a home game for them.

The Brentford game was played out in front to a near-empty stadium before the fans, who could have watched our game, arrived to watch Chelsea take on Newcastle.

I'm also not sure how anyone is sure all these "proper clubs" will be lining up for him a year from now. Why aren't they all piling in now, when he's there for the taking? Caicedo is a specific type of player, and is exceptionally good at what he does. World class in fact. But in two transfer windows to date, there's only been one club in each who have pursued him.

Where's the evidence that will all change and United, City, Liverpool, Real, PSG etc will all have decided they need him next summer?

I'm not arguing for him to leave for Chelsea, but I don't have to think too hard to understand why he very probably wants to.

Well, from a personal point of view, my contempt for Chelsea as a club is so huge that pragmatism and considered debate go out the window to a degree. With all my heart I would love Chelsea to have another appalling season, and because I'm very fond of Moises I really don't want to be wishing failure on him. However, I still believe that from a development point of view, he'd do well to stay here another year, experience a European campaign, and benefit from De Zerbi's exceptional coaching. There's no reason to believe he'd go backwards here, if RDZ can't improve him, neither can Pochetinno. Of course he's going to move on at some point, sooner rather than later, but Christ, not Chelsea. I'd rather he went to any other PL team for half the price.

 

[Official Old Man]

I was surprised how many said keep him rather than take the money.
I voted take the money. I'd like him to stay but understand the lure of £100 million and his bonus on that (plus his agents 20%). Without knowing him personally, it's hard to say how he'd feel being refused a move. Having said that, is he being refused a move or TB just holding out for what he's worth?

 

[sagaman]

Let’s be realistic if Moises gets injured and leaves the game we won’t get insurance. My understanding is that there is no insurance available for footballers

 

[GT49er]

I'm not going to argue the toss on what is and isn't a prestigious club, but the US fixtures illustrate the dramatic difference in scale between the two clubs.

The Chelsea game was, essentially, a home game for them.

The Brentford game was played out in front to a near-empty stadium before the fans, who could have watched our game, arrived to watch Chelsea take on Newcastle.

I'm also not sure how anyone is sure all these "proper clubs" will be lining up for him a year from now. Why aren't they all piling in now, when he's there for the taking? Caicedo is a specific type of player, and is exceptionally good at what he does. World class in fact. But in two transfer windows to date, there's only been one club in each who have pursued him.

Where's the evidence that will all change and United, City, Liverpool, Real, PSG etc will all have decided they need him next summer?

I'm not arguing for him to leave for Chelsea, but I don't have to think too hard to understand why he very probably wants to.

It's starting to seem quite odd, but it seems that it's only London clubs that are interested in buying our best players at top prices. Big northern powerhouse clubs? Not a murmur of interest (and yes, I know Mac Allister and Burn have gone north, but for various reasons Liverpool and Newcastle got them both at very advantageous prices). Big clubs abroad? - PSG, Barca, Real etc. - not a hint of a whisper either.

But London clubs, on the other hand ...................................

 

[herecomesaregular]

Still think there is so much chatter about him (despite some American NSC fan-in-a-cave saying there is none at all) that this is his highest value point (to answer the question if £100m is bid). We could have a lovely European run but even with that could his value go higher than £100m? Yes, Rice is reportedly £105m, and he is not as good, but he has the infamous English tax, so I can't see it personally. (Q the tired you must be Chelsea responses because yes I would sell. The Manager himself said he deserves to play at a higher level than us). The main delay is the club wanting Colwill in the deal imo.

 

[Zeberdi]

Not you particularly - just a general trend that seems to be quite common on here - if we lose Caicedo we'll go and find his (improved) replacement. Caicedo is so good though, that there just aren't many - if any - players out there better than him.
Finding them and signing them for the Albion isn't just as routine as some people seem to think!

I agree - which is why sometimes and at certain times, a player’s intrinsic value to a current squad is more than the realistic market value that a club would get if they sold him at that particular point in his club career.


There’s another reason that I don’t think has been mentioned yet and it maybe only a side issue - However, Saudi’s purchasing power in the European market ( particularly in the form of PIF) will continue to see highly lucrative contracts being offered to top PL and other top European players as they continue to develop their own league, (the way the PL has been doing for years to the rest of European leagues of course) - IMO, this will benefit ‘feeder’ clubs like ours, as it will inflate the market price of the top quality players in the Big 7 clubs/European clubs (not being able to compete with Saudi wage structures they will risk loosing some key players every transfer window and/or their ability to compete in the transfer market for top players in Europe will, unlike the Saudis, be unilaterally restricted by FFP - (Anyway I won’t be loosing any sleep over it - the more cream the Saudis skim off the Big 7 clubs the better AFAIC )

I don’t think we will really see the knock on effects for smaller clubs that the Saudis will have on European/PL clubs until next season but that’s another reason why it’s worth hanging on to our most lucrative players for the time being - Moises may see his market value tripled by next season if 2 or 3 Big 7 clubs have lost a few of their top defensive midfielders to the Saudis.

 

[dazzer6666]

I agree - which is why sometimes and at certain times, a player’s intrinsic value to a current squad is more than the realistic market value that a club would get if they sold him at that particular point in his club career.


There’s another reason that I don’t think has been mentioned yet and it maybe only a side issue - However, Saudi’s purchasing power in the European market ( particularly in the form of PIF) will continue to see highly lucrative contracts being offered to top PL and other top European players as they continue to develop their own league, (the way the PL has been doing for years to the rest of European leagues of course) - IMO, this will benefit ‘feeder’ clubs like ours, as it will inflate the market price of the top quality players in the Big 7 clubs/European clubs (not being able to compete with Saudi wage structures they will risk loosing some key players every transfer window and/or their ability to compete in the transfer market for top players in Europe will, unlike the Saudis, be unilaterally restricted by FFP - (Anyway I won’t be loosing any sleep over it - the more cream the Saudis skim off the Big 7 clubs the better AFAIC )

I don’t think we will really see the knock on effects for smaller clubs that the Saudis will have on European/PL clubs until next season but that’s another reason why it’s worth hanging on to our most lucrative players for the time being - Moises may see his market value tripled by next season if 2 or 3 Big 7 clubs have lost a few of their top defensive midfielders to the Saudis.

Correct….if he stays and has a great season with us, the Saudis will be offering him 500k+/week, then we’ll know if it’s purely about money.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I agree - which is why sometimes and at certain times, a player’s intrinsic value to a current squad is more than the realistic market value that a club would get if they sold him at that particular point in his club career.


There’s another reason that I don’t think has been mentioned yet and it maybe only a side issue - However, Saudi’s purchasing power in the European market ( particularly in the form of PIF) will continue to see highly lucrative contracts being offered to top PL and other top European players as they continue to develop their own league, (the way the PL has been doing for years to the rest of European leagues of course) - IMO, this will benefit ‘feeder’ clubs like ours, as it will inflate the market price of the top quality players in the Big 7 clubs/European clubs (not being able to compete with Saudi wage structures they will risk loosing some key players every transfer window and/or their ability to compete in the transfer market for top players in Europe will, unlike the Saudis, be unilaterally restricted by FFP - (Anyway I won’t be loosing any sleep over it - the more cream the Saudis skim off the Big 7 clubs the better AFAIC )

I don’t think we will really see the knock on effects for smaller clubs that the Saudis will have on European/PL clubs until next season but that’s another reason why it’s worth hanging on to our most lucrative players for the time being - Moises may see his market value tripled by next season if 2 or 3 Big 7 clubs have lost a few of their top defensive midfielders to the Saudis.

Wise words and plausible narrative.

Anyway, after watching us on the tellybox these last few days, apart from when down to ten or experimenting with the untried, we looked brutal. Everything at pace with no let up.

I would add that Eddie Howe is a fantastic coach. Nailed on to succeed wassisface at England, one assumes. If England can afford him.