[Football] Caicedo and MacAllister, How Well Have They Done Since They Left Us?

[Dibdab]

Well, that's the issue isn't it?

He doesn't have to do anything for 8 years and then just retire.

Ain't no one giving up that contract

Pretty incredible and highlights the massive risk in Chelsea's strategy if the player doesn't work out.

 

[JBizzle]

I thought it was £35m rising to £55m possibly.

Hence, "if we get it"

 

[JamesAndTheGiantHead]

Caicedo tantrum sums up dysfunctional Chelsea after Pochettino pressure claim

The Chelsea midfielder raged as he was substituted in Sunday's defeat to Wolves at Stamford Bridge as £115m price tag weighs heavily and lack of defined system leaves him struggling to impact games

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[London Irish]

I still believe Caicedo is world class, Chelsea is a toxic club and the best player in the world would struggle there. They need a complete clear out and start again.

Yeh, I guess we've learnt he's world class in a certain supportive structure. True world class players tend to thrive whatever is thrown at them and I guess he's not quite there yet with that, still young

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Disruptive owners, managerial questions and financial concerns: Chelsea are a $1bn mess

With mounting long-term financial concerns, there is no quick fix in sight for the club’s on-field struggles

www.theguardian.com

Ouch

This renders clearly just what an appalling mess Chelsea are in ...

Highlights.

Chelsea have committed to £1.9 Bn of future spending.

For 2023/24 projected losses of £210m. And that's if they finish 6th.

They in the doodoo. I want to keep them out of qualifying for Europe nearly as much as I want us to qualify for Europe

 

[ConfusedGloryHunter]

Disruptive owners, managerial questions and financial concerns: Chelsea are a $1bn mess

With mounting long-term financial concerns, there is no quick fix in sight for the club’s on-field struggles

www.theguardian.com

Ouch

This renders clearly just what an appalling mess Chelsea are in ...

Highlights.

Chelsea have committed to £1.9 Bn of future spending.

For 2023/24 projected losses of £210m. And that's if they finish 6th.

They in the doodoo. I want to keep them out of qualifying for Europe nearly as much as I want us to qualify for Europe

I question how much Frank Lampard was a loyal youth product of theirs though.

 

[dwayne]

Yeh, I guess we've learnt he's world class in a certain supportive structure. True world class players tend to thrive whatever is thrown at them and I guess he's not quite there yet with that, still young

One thing I have always noticed is how bang average he is for equador. Players always look better for us than other teams it seems. Although bissouma seems to be doing ok now.

 

[B-right-on]

Listening to the TS clip on another thread, made me laugh his nickname for Caicedo:

The Hundred Million Pound Missing Man

And Boehly: Dud Boehly

Two massive lessons here for owners and players alike. It's not all about the money, Caicedo's tantrum after the Wolves Sub shows how unhappy he is despite the ultra fat bank account which admittedly takes an edge off, but he must have a passion for the game to have made it so far and current form can only hurt.

For some reason I get a perverse joy in Caicedo's current demise and alternatively get a happy feeling when Ali Mac does well.

 

[Bakero]

Gary Neville: "Caicedo, you saw him at Brighton and thought he was good on the ball. But look at him now, at times it's just shocking"

 

[bhafc99]

He looks a bit lost and bewildered at times.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

Caicedo and MacAllister, How Well Have They Done Since They Left Us?​

the answer is revealed this afternoon. Cac = crap. Mac = please come home.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Mac is doing just fine but Moises, well, it's been a nightmare season for the lad.

It's not as if his role in the Chelsea team is that dissimilar to his role at the Albion, and he was excellent here for 2 different managers who played slightly different systems.

White, Biss, Burn, Trossard, Alexis have all shown there is life after the Albion but thère is something toxic at Chelsea. So much talent consistently underperforming.

 

[B-right-on]

Mac is doing just fine but Moises, well, it's been a nightmare season for the lad.

It's not as if his role in the Chelsea team is that dissimilar to his role at the Albion, and he was excellent here for 2 different managers who played slightly different systems.

White, Biss, Burn, Trossard, Alexis have all shown there is life after the Albion but thère is something toxic at Chelsea. So much talent consistently underperforming.

I dont like dissing others, but, GOOD.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Mac is doing just fine but Moises, well, it's been a nightmare season for the lad.

It's not as if his role in the Chelsea team is that dissimilar to his role at the Albion, and he was excellent here for 2 different managers who played slightly different systems.

White, Biss, Burn, Trossard, Alexis have all shown there is life after the Albion but thère is something toxic at Chelsea. So much talent consistently underperforming.

Oh his role is different there, he's left quite isolated so he's expected to be more of a disruptor, breaking up opposition play, winning the ball and then giving it to someone to play a more direct ball forward. At Brighton he was part of a whole team playing close knit possession football moving the ball quickly through neat triangles with just one or two touches. The few occasions yesterday where he did that he looked like I remember him, but most of the time he was ignored in possession and forced to make a succession of low percentage tackles out of possession.

Reading most of the posts on the chelsea forum they are pointing the finger mainly at Poch than at Caicedo

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

For some reason I get a perverse joy in Caicedo's current demise and alternatively get a happy feeling when Ali Mac does well.

And you're clearly not alone. I do find it a bit strange considering both players were great for us, both clearly wanted to leave this summer, yet one is treated well and the other appalling. Why? Just get these nebulous answers like 'mac allister left in the right way, which is such a load of wishful thinking bollox'

I don't feel animosity to either of them personally.

 

[American Seagle]

And you're clearly not alone. I do find it a bit strange considering both players were great for us, both clearly wanted to leave this summer, yet one is treated well and the other appalling. Why? Just get these nebulous answers like 'mac allister left in the right way, which is such a load of wishful thinking bollox'

I don't feel animosity to either of them personally.

Are you being serious? Most, if not all, of the players that left to Chelsea acted like massive bell-ends (I believe that is three English term for it). That is why.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Are you being serious? Most, if not all, of the players that left to Chelsea acted like massive bell-ends (I believe that is three English term for it). That is why.

They really didn't. It's very much in people's minds that they did but aside from the musings of Fab Romano and the like what other noise was there about the Caicedo transfer? All we know is that he'd made agreement with Chelsea and waited for Brighton to accept an offer from Chelsea, which is basically exactly what happened with Mac Allister and Liverpool. Everything else was noise and gossip. And when each of them left they both said very nice things about us.

 

[ConfusedGloryHunter]

They really didn't. It's very much in people's minds that they did but aside from the musings of Fab Romano and the like what other noise was there about the Caicedo transfer? All we know is that he'd made agreement with Chelsea and waited for Brighton to accept an offer from Chelsea, which is basically exactly what happened with Mac Allister and Liverpool. Everything else was noise and gossip. And when each of them left they both said very nice things about us.

I agree, even Sanchez was just being a sulky tit because he got dropped. Cucu, on the other hand, he was a greedy prick.

So screaming in hatred at Cucu, booing for Sanchez and sniggering for Caicedo then?

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

And you're clearly not alone. I do find it a bit strange considering both players were great for us, both clearly wanted to leave this summer, yet one is treated well and the other appalling. Why? Just get these nebulous answers like 'mac allister left in the right way, which is such a load of wishful thinking bollox'

I don't feel animosity to either of them personally.

Surely it’s clear that Caicedo threw his toys out of the pram, had his head turned, forced a move when we didn’t want to sell him, didn’t think he was ready.
MacAllister seemed to go very much with our blessing - it was time for him to move on, and we were happy with where he was going, which is validated because he is doing well.
maybe if Caicedo had gone to Liverpool…….

 

[Thunder Bolt]

They really didn't. It's very much in people's minds that they did but aside from the musings of Fab Romano and the like what other noise was there about the Caicedo transfer? All we know is that he'd made agreement with Chelsea and waited for Brighton to accept an offer from Chelsea, which is basically exactly what happened with Mac Allister and Liverpool. Everything else was noise and gossip. And when each of them left they both said very nice things about us.

Brighton agreed to a blind bid from Liverpool and Chelsea but Liverpool’s bid was higher. Caicedo’s agent insisted that Chelsea could bid again (possibly because he was getting a bigger percentage?)
It wasn’t the decent way of going about a transfer.