Burglar who will burgle no longer

[Hastings woody]

Agreed. hang them. scumbags.

 

[melias shoes]

i think all burglars should be hung

This

 

[melias shoes]

If I'm in this situation, in the middle of the night and it's dark, I'll grab whatever comes to hand to defend myself and my house.

If the bastard intruder in my house dies, so be it.

And this

 

[melias shoes]

Presumably you are supposed to check with them first

"Excuse me Mr Burglar, can I just check, are you planning on killing me or not? It;s just because I plan on cracking your skull with my cricket bat and don't want to go to prison myself"

This is crazy. If someone entered my house in the middle of the night, I would beat the crap out of them to defend my wife and 3 young kids, my paternal instincts would not permit me to do anything else

Also this

 

[User removed 4]

i thought most burglaries happen in the day when most people are erm out.

that said it does happen and is f***ing spooky - i have been burgled in the middle of the night after a bit of a session at the hartington and didnt hear a thing.

topping some smackhead might make people feel better about having the fright of their lives but lets face it most burglars do not want to top you they want to be i n and out as quick as f***ing possible. of course nowadays if i found someone i n my house i would go f***ing garrity but this is a bit of an iffy one. you just know that there are lunatics up and down the country that are going to f***ing love this.

f***ing manbag carrying, poodle walking handwringer.

 

[BadFish]

Adding the key clause "has considered" isn't paraphrasing, it's utterly changing the meaning of my post. Nice try though.

No, you can't just think "they might be a bit dangerous, so I'll brutally smash their skull in just in case". If you're confronted with a madman with a knife, and it's your or them, then it's obviously going to be them. If their target is you TV, there is no justification for murder. "An Eye For An Eye" is bad enough; "A Life For A TV" is obscene.

I agree, my TV is shit. But what if you had just bought a brand new 52" 3D plasma?

 

[NMH]

Stealth would have worked better;

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[Westdene Seagull]

You have the right to defend your family; you do not have the right to kill to defend your X-Box.

As far as I'm concerned I have as much right to defend my property as I do my family and any burglar that thinks otherwise is in for a shock !

 

[Caveman]

Simple cause and affect.

Dont go burgling, dont get stabbed by the home owner.

Totally agree. As you said don't go breaking into peoples houses, at 2 in the morning with 4 hooded scumbags breaking into your house you don't think anything less than they are going to do you harm. This case like others have said probably has more to it, but the outcome the same if you don't go stealing and f*cking with other peoples lifes you don't come unstuck.

But then you will get the poor lad had a hard up bringing etc etc and was a nice lad really.

 

[Scoffers]

Somehow I'm not surprised to see this being painted as black and white as usual on NSC. For what it's worth, my view as a left-handed, limp-wristed, flower-arranging, shandy-drinking, mazda-driving, hand-wringing, bleeding-heart, any-other-insult-you-want liberal is...

Of course we don't know the full details yet, but if the burglar hadn't tried to break into that persons house, he'd still be alive.

Is that black and white enough for you?

You break in to someone house, you get what you deserve plain and simple, even if they do stab them as they are leaving. The gene pool will be all the better for it.

I'd also add that people are saying what they would do if it happened to them, but nobody really knows how they will react until it happens, most people act instinctively, and what happens could well be decided by circumstances, like is a knife nearby, are you close to your mobile (to ring 999) do you happen to have a baseball bat/cricket bat/9 iron handy and do you have kids/baby/pregnant wife/elderly relatives in the house.

The point I made earlier was do you assume they are all ruthless killers who would take you and your family out so you can't ID them later on, if so, would you react differently?

 

[DT Withdean]

I agree with hitting a burglar or similar, but stabbing them, you ARE attempting to kill them, and imo, that is wrong. Unless of course you are being threatened yourselves...

4 hooded burglars.
No one knows what they'd do to defend themselves or not, in that unexpected moment when the advantage of surprise is with the scum.

 

[Scoffers]

4 hooded burglars.
No one knows what they'd do to defend themselves or not, in that unexpected moment when the advantage of surprise is with the scum.

Exactly!

 

[Jimbo.GRFC]

Of course. As I said I have no knowledge of this case, whether the homeowners deliberately went after the guy or felt they had no choice, or whatever. If they genuinely feared for their lives then they'd be able to defend themselves under the existing law anyway. But let's say, for example, the burglars were leaving through a window and the homeowner decided to stab the guy repeatedly in the back in an act of revenge, then I expect most people would think that's unacceptable.

Obviously I'm not suggesting that's what happened in this case, just arguing it's not as simple as saying it's okay to stab people because they've broken into your house.

Your'e talking out of your rear end. By saying you didn't know anything about the case, you then go on to offer your liberal ramblings. By breaking into my property, then any burglars are fair game, simple. By putting that type of legislation into the statute book these scum will know the potential outcome of their actions (especially 4 v 1). If they are making their escape through your back window with your property, would possibly be jewellery, money your car keys etc. What do you suggest we do, wish them well, hope they had a happy stay and wave them goodbye ? These scum do tend to revisit for another go don't forget if not caught !

 

[Jimbo.GRFC]

One issue for me was where did s/he get the knive from? Did s/he retrieve it from the kitchen, have it next to the bed?

I keep a sporting item in our bedroom

 

[DTES]

Of course we don't know the full details yet, but if the burglar hadn't tried to break into that persons house, he'd still be alive.

Is that black and white enough for you?

It's absolutely black and white, because it's a fact. It doesn't, however, add any support whatsoever to this statement:

You break in to someone house, you get what you deserve plain and simple, even if they do stab them as they are leaving.

...so I don't see why you appear to link them.

The gene pool will be all the better for it.

You think whether or not someone robs a house is based upon their genetics at birth?! Even if you were right, supporting their execution because of a genetic trait is eugenics, isn't it...?

I'd also add that people are saying what they would do if it happened to them, but nobody really knows how they will react until it happens, most people act instinctively, and what happens could well be decided by circumstances, like is a knife nearby, are you close to your mobile (to ring 999) do you happen to have a baseball bat/cricket bat/9 iron handy and do you have kids/baby/pregnant wife/elderly relatives in the house.

Agreed, these are two separate discussions.

The point I made earlier was do you assume they are all ruthless killers who would take you and your family out so you can't ID them later on, if so, would you react differently?

Just because they're in your house? No. Of course they may well be and each set of circumstances needs to be taken separately, but their presence does not imply they are a ruthless killer.

 

[Jimbo.GRFC]

Does that mean that a farmer should be allowed to shoot a rambler who trespasses on his land? After all, by your logic, the rambler is illegally trespassing and should therefore forfeit all rights.

Waynflete, this comment clearly shows you are not very clever. Sleep well tonight, and should you ever experience being burgled, after the jovial welcome from yourself into your home introductions to your wife and children are completed make him a nice cup of tea with 2 sugars, piece of cake or biscuits are also welcomed, then let him feel free to ransack your house. I wonder your reaction if you were burgled.

 

[portlock seagull]

I too find it very difficult to sympathise. Lived in Salford once and it's hardly Parson's Green. If someone breaks in round that part of the world, you'd react very differently because you're more likely to have witnessed or known about similar instances that very probably left the homeowners badly injured or worse. And I'm not skilled in the arts of disarming 4 hooded individuals like Bruce Lee would be and leaving them neatly tied up sitting on the floor for the Police to arrest 30mins later a la a Marvel comic strip. No, I'm more likely to grab whatever's at hand to defend myself and family and think about consequences once immediate danger's been dealt with. Surely everyone's instinct is survival in these circumstances? Besides, testimony to the sort of lowlife this stupid man kept company with is the fact they dumped him to die on his own so save their own skins. Hardly the British Armed forces are they?

 

[BadFish]

Originally Posted by fruitnveg
My opinion:

By breaking into someone's property, (I'm well aware this is not law) you forfeit all rights. You cannot, if illegally trespassing, expect the law to protect you or your accomplices from land or house owners. If you don't want to die at the hands of a loon in their house protecting family, possessions etc, don't break in.

Does that mean that a farmer should be allowed to shoot a rambler who trespasses on his land? After all, by your logic, the rambler is illegally trespassing and should therefore forfeit all rights.

Waynflete, this comment clearly shows you are not very clever. Sleep well tonight, and should you ever experience being burgled, after the jovial welcome from yourself into your home introductions to your wife and children are completed make him a nice cup of tea with 2 sugars, piece of cake or biscuits are also welcomed, then let him feel free to ransack your house. I wonder your reaction if you were burgled.

How does this comment clearly show that Waynflete is not very clever?

It highlights the grey area of the post it responds to namely that all trespassers should forfeit all rights. The comment shows that some forms of trespass are different to others.

 

[Waynflete]

Your'e talking out of your rear end. By saying you didn't know anything about the case, you then go on to offer your liberal ramblings. By breaking into my property, then any burglars are fair game, simple. By putting that type of legislation into the statute book these scum will know the potential outcome of their actions (especially 4 v 1). If they are making their escape through your back window with your property, would possibly be jewellery, money your car keys etc. What do you suggest we do, wish them well, hope they had a happy stay and wave them goodbye ? These scum do tend to revisit for another go don't forget if not caught !

You have clearly failed to distinguish between my offering opinions about this specific case (about which none of us has any detailed information) and making a broader point about whether it is ALWAYS okay to kill a burglar who is on your property.

What if it's someone on your front drive or in your back garden whom you think might be a burglar? Do you stab them first and ask questions later?
What if you recognise the burglar the next day in the street? Is it okay to stab them to death then, just to make sure they don't come back?

My point is that your statement that 'any burglars are fair game, simple' is pathetically simplistic. There is an infinite variety of ways in which someone could be on your property. In some cases it will be legitimate to defend yourself, your family and your property, especially if you feel your life is at risk. If you're confronted by a violent burglar in your house then nobody sane would say you can't defend yourself.

But in other cases, violently attacking someone because you're angry with them is not acceptable. Do you really think that someone who has nicked your telly deserves to die? If you do, then I give up.

 

[Waynflete]

Waynflete, this comment clearly shows you are not very clever. Sleep well tonight, and should you ever experience being burgled, after the jovial welcome from yourself into your home introductions to your wife and children are completed make him a nice cup of tea with 2 sugars, piece of cake or biscuits are also welcomed, then let him feel free to ransack your house. I wonder your reaction if you were burgled.

Jimbo, I have my own opinions about whose arguments demonstrate an inability to understand the discussion in hand.

Edit: P.S. I have been burgled. It is not very nice.