Bull gets revenge - not for the squeamish

[bhaexpress]

As someone who has been to one, I'd say it hasn't put me off. There is a world of difference between a fairly clean and quick dispatch, however unpalatable death is, to a long lingering death for peoples entertainment.

*** Addition *** - just seen Easy's next post - my Uncle owns a farm that raises beef cattle and they actually have a pretty decent life. Roaming round the fields with fresh grass and cattle feed daily. OK, I wouldn't really fancy that final journey but I'd still choose it over some poofter in tights shoving knives in me for hours, nearly bleeding to death and then getting stabbed !

Personally I haven't been to one but my reasons for not eating burgers has nothing to do with the treatment of the stock, I just don't like them. Fair points you've made there though, I've worked on a farm and the cows didn't seem to have a bad life, especially when one of the beasts has crapped on me whilst I was milking it !

 

[Easy 10]

The point is, bulls bred for bullfighting are bred to be healthy, powerful and muscular so that they look impressive and are therefore "worthy opponents" for the matador. The best bred bulls will have been out to stud for years, well fed and well treated. Bulls mass-produced for Big Macs will not have enjoyed such a lifestyle.

Ergo, those folk protesting against bullfighting whilst chewing on mouthfuls of BK Whoppers and Maccie-D's are, by definition, hypocrites.

 

[Man of Harveys]

What happens to the bull when it gets killed? I'd hate to think they get killed and not consequently eaten.

I was told (and it may well be bertie bollocks) that you can't eat a bull killed in the arena because the adrenaline spoils the meat.

Anyway. I quite like bullfighting. I think it's fascinating and little crueller than, say, the Grand National.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Bulls are not the only creatures to suffer in bullrings. The tormented bull does not understand that it is the man on the horse's back that is causing his pain, only that he is in agony. He therefore sees the horse as his enemy as much as the man.

"Cruelty to animals is as if man did not love God...there is something so dreadful, so satanic, in tormenting those who have never harmed us, and who cannot defend themselves, who are utterly in our power."

It's not unusual for horses used in bullfights to be so badly gored by the bulls that they have to be killed, but only after they have been dragged from the ring and the view of the spectators.

This is the fate of these beautiful animals. To be used to entertain a crowd that lusts for blood and claims that bullfighting is a tradition and "cultural heritage".

What about the "brave" matadors, picadors and their ilk? Bullfighters are rarely injured and seldom killed in the ring. With their armory of weapons to weaken the bull until it can no longer fight, their lives are not at great risk. In fact, in the last 50 years only 10 bullfighters have been killed worldwide.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

I was told (and it may well be bertie bollocks) that you can't eat a bull killed in the arena because the adrenaline spoils the meat.

Anyway. I quite like bullfighting. I think it's fascinating and little crueller than, say, the Grand National.

Yeah about the same

http://www.sharkonline.org/?P=0000000423

Warning the above link is very graphic.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Warning the above link is very graphic.

 

[clippedgull]

I'm a meat eater and hate the torment bulls are put through in the name of entertainment. How anybody could enjoy watching an animal tortured defies belief, still there are plenty of sickos and physcho's in the human race.

I would like to think that any animal sent to a slaughterhouse in this country is dealt with in a humane way, although I am aware that in some cases, standards have been reported to be below accepted levels.

 

[Mellotron]

What happens to the bull when it gets killed? I'd hate to think they get killed and not consequently eaten.

For me that does make a huge difference, actually. If they are not eaten then I think the thing me and others are complaining about is the fact they are being KILLED PURELY FOR FUN AND NOTHING ELSE.

That's the MASSIVE difference and completely negates the "if you eat meat you're a hyppocrite" argument.

 

[Easy 10]

*** Addition *** - just seen Easy's next post - my Uncle owns a farm that raises beef cattle and they actually have a pretty decent life. Roaming round the fields with fresh grass and cattle feed daily. OK, I wouldn't really fancy that final journey but I'd still choose it over some poofter in tights shoving knives in me for hours, nearly bleeding to death and then getting stabbed !

There are bound to be good and bad practices across meat markets. I'd wager cows bred for beef (ie proper steaks) are generally better looked after than those bred for burgers, as the quality of the meat is that much more apparent. Unlike a steak or joint of beef, a burger is just a mashed-up pulp, and hardly recognisable as a piece of an animal by the time its been squashed into its patty shape.

 

[Mellotron]

There are bound to be good and bad practices across meat markets. I'd wager cows bred for beef (ie proper steaks) are generally better looked after than those bred for burgers, as the quality of the meat is that much more apparent. Unlike a steak or joint of beef, a burger is just a mashed-up pulp, and hardly recognisable as a piece of an animal by the time its been squashed into its patty shape.

"Killing an animal purely for "fun" is sick and wrong."

Do you agree or disagree with the above?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

I can see some validity of the points but the analogy to the Grand National was just ridiculous. I care about Animal welfare and often have a bad conscience when I eat a burger but I would hope the animal was killed in a humane and quick manner. This is why I do not get the analogy with the bullfight making out its the same and in some way the bull is prividledged to be tortured and slowly killed.

 

[bhaexpress]

"Killing an animal purely for "fun" is sick and wrong."

Do you agree or disagree with the above?

Killing wasps is quite good fun.

 

[Simster]

"Killing an animal purely for "fun" is sick and wrong."

Do you agree or disagree with the above?

Obviously I agree as would most sane people. What baffles me is the handwringing towards other cultures attitudes towards animals when we don't appear to do enough as a society to address the problems of the abuse of vulnerable human beings in this very country. For a western society, our record on child care is piss poor, and stories like that vulnerable enslaved fella in Luton are far too frequent IMO for us to go pontificating on the virtues of animal welfare elsewhere.

Yes I know it's not either/or, and for that reason I don't like bull fighting, fur coats, battery farmed eggs. Better to make that stand than pontificate to the Spanish, IMO.

 

[Kukev31]

I'm a meat eater and hate the torment bulls are put through in the name of entertainment. How anybody could enjoy watching an animal tortured defies belief, still there are plenty of sickos and physcho's in the human race.

I would like to think that any animal sent to a slaughterhouse in this country is dealt with in a humane way, although I am aware that in some cases, standards have been reported to be below accepted levels.

Something like 40% of meat comes from factory farms. For poultry that's about 80%.

 

[Easy 10]

"Killing an animal purely for "fun" is sick and wrong."

Do you agree or disagree with the above?

I agree.

But what is also sick and wrong is breeding animals for mass-consumption as cheaply as possible in appalling conditions. Therefore, if you enjoy buying and eating cheap mass-produced burgers, then your right to criticise and denounce bullfighting as being cruel is somewhat undermined.

Many of us get sqeamish when we actually see a matador killing a bull, whilst hardly giving a second thought to the fate of the creature we are happily chewing away on with a slice of cheese, some mustard, some ketchup and a pickle. Meat is packaged in such a way these days that it is almost completely (and conveniently) dissassociated from the fact that it was once also a living, breathing animal.

So its easy to point the finger and say "oh thats disgusting" when you see a bull in its last throes in the ring, whilst at the same time not giving a second thought to the treatment of cows for your fast food. I say again, at least the bull bred for the ring has led a better life than one bred for a Big Mac.

 

[Simster]

I can see some validity of the points but the analogy to the Grand National was just ridiculous.

Yes and no. Until they lowered the fence heights, horses used to frequently die on that course. Just because it's not blood and guts everywhere and because horses like jumping, doesn't make it any less cruel to whip them over fences they can't cope with.

 

[Mellotron]

I agree.

But what is also sick and wrong is breeding animals for mass-consumption as cheaply as possible in appalling conditions. Therefore, if you enjoy buying and eating cheap mass-produced burgers, then your right to criticise and denounce bullfighting as being cruel is somewhat undermined.

Many of us get sqeamish when we actually see a matador killing a bull, whilst hardly giving a second thought to the fate of the creature we are happily chewing away on with a slice of cheese, some mustard, some ketchup and a pickle. Meat is packaged in such a way these days that it is almost completely (and conveniently) dissassociated from the fact that it was once also a living, breathing animal.

So its easy to point the finger and say "oh thats disgusting" when you see a bull in its last throes in the ring, whilst at the same time not giving a second thought to the treatment of cows for your fast food. I say again, at least the bull bred for the ring has led a better life than one bred for a Big Mac.

At the end of the day we all don't do enough to stop wrongdoing going on in the world, from animal living conditions to human rights offences to child labour to carbon footprint etc.

My big issue is that it can be seen as ok in this day and age for fellow human beings to get pleasure from watching something DIE. My brain really CANNOT process that, it's unthinkable to me.

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

17 pints of blood ... are they sure!

P.S. Barbaric and cannot be justified IMHO

 

[Mellotron]

17 pints of blood ... are they sure!

P.S. Barbaric and cannot be justified IMHO

That can't be right. I'm sure I read somewhere you can only lose about 8-10 pints and live.

 

[Easy 10]

My big issue is that it can be seen as ok in this day and age for fellow human beings to get pleasure from watching something DIE. My brain really CANNOT process that, it's unthinkable to me.

Well I routinely sit in block D and watch our season DIE a slow and lingering death year in, year out, so its surprising what us humans can become conditioned to after a while.