joydivisionovengloves
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She was a 15 year old child.
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[Politics] British IS Girl wanting to return to the UK
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Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Aah, bless.
joydivisionovengloves
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Stating a fact.
Is this an opinion you hold about all children groomed over the internet ?
What's your point ?
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Where is your evidence that this young, innocent and naive lass was groomed in this instance?
15 year olds do very silly things. When they are also being groomed and possibly coerced, they can be made to do even sillier things.
I don’t know the full facts of this case but right now, I would no more call her an enemy of Britain than I would call a victim of sexual grooming a slag.
By age definition she is legally culpable for what she has done. But I suspect there are legitimately mitigating circumstances to this.
I can almost guarantee she didn’t suddenly wake up one morning with the idea of fighting for IS and then organise her own passage to Syria with no help or persuasion from adults.
I don’t know the full facts of this case but right now, I would no more call her an enemy of Britain than I would call a victim of sexual grooming a slag.
By age definition she is legally culpable for what she has done. But I suspect there are legitimately mitigating circumstances to this.
I can almost guarantee she didn’t suddenly wake up one morning with the idea of fighting for IS and then organise her own passage to Syria with no help or persuasion from adults.
joydivisionovengloves
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What would you call the process of persuading and then enabling a child to act in a way that is clearly not in their own interest, to act in a way that puts them in the hands of the most foul, murderous, dangerous men ?
joydivisionovengloves
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This ^^
It seems to me that this was girls being groomed and trafficked for marriage to middle aged soldiers.
Looking forward to hearing the same people who are aghast at grooming going on when the perpetrators aren't white dismissing this because the victim wasn't white
She was 15 at the time. If my 15 year old had done something mad, spurred on by the internet and other mad kids, and had then been helped into Turkey by the Canadian secret service, and then into Iraq where she'd been up the duff before she had had time to say 'what's under my Niqāb?', I'd probably be a bit miffed. I may have though '**** her, silly cow', but it's more likely I'd have been miffed. Other opinions are of course available.
Says it all, really:
Exactly. When a 15 year old girl tells you they wish to join ISIS, as an adult do you;
A- facilitate her wish by working with the Canadian secret service and people traffickers to smuggle her into Syria via Turkey so she can marry a middle aged soldier and fight against the West?
B- inform the authorities of her intentions so that she can be safeguarded and protected from future grooming/recruitment attempts?
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Inevitably.
To be honest - I don't give a shit if she was groomed, brainwashed, or an enthusiastic and knowledgeable supporter if ISIS. She was 15. 15! She should be allowed back, especially if she has surviving children. Not only is it the decent, Christian thing to do, but all we're doing at the moment by allowing 'our' ISIS people to be kept in stinking foreign camps is breeding the next generation of anti-British terrorists. And these ones will have a real grudge.
I appreciate not everyone will share that view, so I'm not going to waste time debating the point.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Being pedantic, her husband wasn't middle aged. He was 29 last November so around 22 when he married her.
I can see how three girls together, being fed idealistic ideals of Islam could be easily groomed. Not only groomed online, but also encouraging each other. I don't think one of them would have gone alone.
Hadn't the three of them already got to Turkey (en route to Syria) when they were picked up by the Canadian secret service ?
Yes, as reported by the BBC:-
At the main Istanbul bus station, the girls met Mohammed Al Rasheed, who would facilitate their journey to IS-controlled Syria.
A senior intelligence officer, at an agency which is part of the global coalition against IS, has confirmed to the BBC that Rasheed was providing information to Canadian intelligence while smuggling people to IS.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62726954
Assuming she was radicalised, I wouldn't trust her to return to the UK and not continue to support terrorist acts here or elsewhere. She can't do any damage to the country in which she was born, raised and educated where she is.
I have no compassion for terrorists whatever their age or gender.
Yes, as reported by the BBC:-
At the main Istanbul bus station, the girls met Mohammed Al Rasheed, who would facilitate their journey to IS-controlled Syria.
A senior intelligence officer, at an agency which is part of the global coalition against IS, has confirmed to the BBC that Rasheed was providing information to Canadian intelligence while smuggling people to IS.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62726954
Assuming she was radicalised, I wouldn't trust her to return to the UK and not continue to support terrorist acts here or elsewhere. She can't do any damage to the country in which she was born, raised and educated where she is.
I have no compassion for terrorists whatever their age or gender.
BBassic
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I read that as they met him there because that's where he'd told them to be. Surely? Like arranging to meet your mates in a certain pub.
A bold statement, but well-considered? Where do you draw the line? Fifteen, terrorist, ten, terrorist five, terrorist?
Where do you stand on whether a 15 year old girl is 'old enough if she's big enough' I wonder? The age of consent and all that.
Consider if you had a 15 year old daughter....would you let her stay out all night with a bloke? If not perhaps it may be wise to think again about her being fit to be labeled a terrorist. Just a thought
