It may seem unlikely but it's true. Is inconvenient for the "war on drugs"
Brigade but it's the truth.
Time after time prohibition has proven not to work but we persevere with it never the less.
Perhaps it's time for a new approach?
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It may seem unlikely but it's true. Is inconvenient for the "war on drugs"
Brigade but it's the truth.
Time after time prohibition has proven not to work but we persevere with it never the less.
Perhaps it's time for a new approach?
Correct. I'm now waiting for the predictable huge upturn in counterfeit/illegal booze as a result of the minimum pricing in Scotland.
turienzo's lovechild
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i agree with many on here............drugs are ridiculously easy to come by in some places (ie. brighton)....so whatever the "plan" is to clamp down on drug usage at the moment isn't working
quite like the proposal by our 3 mp's and chief of police to treat drug addiction as a medical rather than criminal problem......they do this in certain places now and from what i've read it works quite well
if drugs were controlled and regulated by the nhs to registered users, then surely it would cut out a lot of the crime associated with drugs? the smuggling, gang warfare, the stealing to pay for your next fix etc. plus there wouldn't be issues with quality (i'd hope)
maybe i'm just young and naive, but that's the way i see it..........all i know is that if i wanted basically any drug tonight, i could head into brighton and get it pretty easily...
quite like the proposal by our 3 mp's and chief of police to treat drug addiction as a medical rather than criminal problem......they do this in certain places now and from what i've read it works quite well
if drugs were controlled and regulated by the nhs to registered users, then surely it would cut out a lot of the crime associated with drugs? the smuggling, gang warfare, the stealing to pay for your next fix etc. plus there wouldn't be issues with quality (i'd hope)
maybe i'm just young and naive, but that's the way i see it..........all i know is that if i wanted basically any drug tonight, i could head into brighton and get it pretty easily...
Your kiddin' me right .....
The government would be the drug dealer of choice because his 'shit' is better.
It aint gonna catch on.
You do realise that most of us get by without having to take a hit of illegal substances, some seem so entrenched in a culture of drug accessibility and want to somehow ease that pathway.
Again I am not a puritan, I have had a smoke and like a beer, but I do not evolve a culture to my children that having a spliff is no more harmful as alcohol, but the drug taking is NEVER taken a separate entity, you smoke, you drink, you smoke marijuana. you have some 'gee up', you might have cocaine and up the ladder you go.
Accepted most stop and some level and we get on with life, no real harm done.
But if you tell me otherwise I have seen it happen, a number of school friends that tried drugs the earliest, then got to the heroine first and then to their funeral first.
Jim Van Winkle
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So if the government becomes the distributor they are going to be cutting drugs with baking products, cleaning products and tiny fragments of glass? If you offer a safer, cleaner and more effective product at a good, reasonable price "users" aren't going to want this?
Blah, blah, blah if you smoke Marijuana you end up on Crack. For some people maybe but not everyone. First time I smoked I puked my guts up, it wasn't for me. First time I had a beer I really enjoyed. I don't like drinking alone, I enjoy being a sociable drinker. I tried and enjoyed many substances whilst clubbing 10 or so years ago but like many of my friends we knew when enough was enough and stopped. Some now have very successful careers, marriages and families. Others have continued and been on a very slippery slope leading to harder drugs and losing the plot and being sectioned.
At the end of the day we make our own choices, so if someone wants to take drugs you are not going to stop them. The current drugs war does not work, regulate it, tax it and lets move the f*** on.
34064 Fighter Command
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You've also forgotten to mention the dependance of the Afghanistan economy on growing poppies for opium, and the implicit culpability of the Taliban in encouraging this practice.
Taking opium is widespread, and still legal, in mainland China, as I understand. The authorities regard it as a useful tool to 'control' their population.
34064 Fighter Command
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Not to mention the link between taking cannabis and schizophrenia. It is well known that many drug users have severe mental health 'issues'.
severnside gull
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not sure the NHS could afford it as there is zero chance of money being diverted from the Prison Service (here's a thought - how would the screws survive without their added revenue source from taking drugs in to prisoners!!??) .If users were required to pay for NHS services then maybe it could be done but some might end up having to steal to buy the drugs (cannot see any logical reason why legal drugs would not be taxed to hell and back like booze and fags or why the "sellers" would suddenly be prepared to cut their profit margins?) and steal to pay for treatment?
5 out of every 3 dope smokers develop schizophrenia apparently.
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I watched this Horizon documentary on the internet last week and its shows an experiment with a individual where they just give him a high does of THC, a component of Canabis, over time a regualr user gets a similar dose. Turns a pretty regular person Paronoid (5.15).
Starts a 1.23, interesting watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHEBkh-l6tA&feature=relmfu
The media tell the public. The public tell their polititians and then the polititians tell the police and they spend huge amounts of money fighting 'the war on drugs' Its the same as the paedo, the terrorist and all the other scaremongering that the press get off on.
My mother in law reads the Mail and you should hear her. I suppose I should be brave enough to tell her that her daughters nickname amongst friends is 'Dyson'
My mother in law reads the Mail and you should hear her. I suppose I should be brave enough to tell her that her daughters nickname amongst friends is 'Dyson'
quiz ....... which famous footballer shaved his entire body twice after a rumour that he was going to be drug tested by his club using the new body hair drug analysis.
and yes they can tell that way..... going back months if you have taken coke or the like.
and no..... Im not going to say on here.
and yes they can tell that way..... going back months if you have taken coke or the like.
and no..... Im not going to say on here.
I didn't say there wouldn't be an increase in use by increasing access, what i said was we could slow down that increase by charging a lot of money for the drugs and by having very very stern punishments to people selling non government dealt drugs.. as someone else said people would rather be taking the governments stuff then black market stuff due to better quality.
I don't think we need regulation to educate, we obviously educate the young immensely... if you were going to buy a drug off a street dealer he is not gonna warn you of the risks and offer you help BEFORE you take it, you might have learnt about coke at school but when your pissed in a club and think to try it for the first time due to lack of judgement, the street dealer isn't going to stop you... however if the government was the dealer we could educate BEFORE its too late...
As said above, make the drugs expensive and have stupidly severe punishments for street dealers to put them off doing it, and as said above governments stuff would be cleaner and healthier and people wouldn't want to buy off street dealers..
Of course it would be another method of dealing but you must understand you will not stop what is happening already so why let the criminals control what the public take
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I didn't say there wouldn't be an increase in use by increasing access, what i said was we could slow down that increase by charging a lot of money for the drugs and by having very very stern punishments to people selling non government dealt drugs.. as someone else said people would rather be taking the governments stuff then black market stuff due to better quality.
I don't think we need regulation to educate, we obviously educate the young immensely... if you were going to buy a drug off a street dealer he is not gonna warn you of the risks and offer you help BEFORE you take it, you might have learnt about coke at school but when your pissed in a club and think to try it for the first time due to lack of judgement, the street dealer isn't going to stop you... however if the government was the dealer we could educate BEFORE its too late...
As said above, make the drugs expensive and have stupidly severe punishments for street dealers to put them off doing it, and as said above governments stuff would be cleaner and healthier and people wouldn't want to buy off street dealers..
Of course it would be another method of dealing but you must understand you will not stop what is happening already so why let the criminals control what the public take
Before long the criminals wouldn't want to bother with the drug scene anyway because of the lack of money in it, they wouldn't be able to cut there drugs like they do now as they'd have to match the governments quality to get people to buy it... whack a ridiculously heavy punishment for any form of street dealers selling non government product and they'd soon be gone..
And even if people did ignore the governments warnings and ignored the help they're offered when they went to buy their drugs.. they'd f*** themselves up through a fault of their own and slowly but surely kids would begin to see first hand that drugs are not big and not clever... rather then telling them a load of information in a classroom which they have forgotten by the time they are pissed in a night club looking for some drugs..
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Load of rubbish... if i injected you with a high dose of pure concentrated caffeine directly into your bloodstream when you'd never had caffeine before in your life then you'd have adverse side affects too... the fact they ask him a leading question when he's stoned makes it even more laughable.. All propaganda to keep it illegal because the rich pharmaceutical companies know its a better pain killer then all the inferior medicine they give out... they also know they couldn't overcharge for it because people would simply grow it themselves..
try this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Md2WNqqxTQ
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