Brilliant stuff from David Cameron today

[Grombleton]

Saw this on FB earlier.

 

[mikeyjh]

You're rather splitting hairs there. OK, increasing the PA by 20% will help SOME of the lowest paid more than the rich. I struggle to see how anyone of any political persuasion could think raising the PA is a bad thing.

I'm really not, I'm pointing out that the very worse off, rather than being helped, are being shafted by the policies being announced this week.

 

[looney]

Freedom of thought, belief and religion - I can see things taken an Islamophobic....

Irony.

 

[KVLT]

Given the choice of him or Forgetful Ed i would rather have him as the lesser of two evils

David Cameron's daughter Nancy left behind at pub

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Wait until he raises VAT to 25% to pay for the tax cuts or cuts who is able to get things like Child Benefit, never realised there were so many idiots about.

I was called a scaremongering left wing looney before the GE in 2010 when I posted that VAT would most likely rise if the Tories got into power as they had previous form for this.

 

[narly101]

Anyone who votes for a party leader who makes up meeting constituents in a public park needs their head read.

 

[sahel]

You're rather splitting hairs there. OK, increasing the PA by 20% will help SOME of the lowest paid more than the rich. I struggle to see how anyone of any political persuasion could think raising the PA is a bad thing.

Your implicit assumption perhaps is that paying tax is a bad thing. Well you get what you pay for. Low taxation leads to poor roads. poorer education and health service, less social housing, less services for children, etc etc. It makes us a smaller US rather than a larger Scandinavian country. Personally I would rather pay more tax and live in a decent country. And the fairest tax is income tax. So why is reducing it a good thing and why as a leftish social democrat would I support raising the personal allowance unless it was accompanied by an increase in the rate

 

[Notters]

Since when did paying tax become a bad thing?!

 

[Buzzer]

Not necessarily scrap but perhaps leave more open to interpretation than they ordinarily would have been

Freedom from slavery and forced labour - Workfare
Right to a fair trial - Changes to legal aid
Respect for your private and family life, home and correspondence - an area we need to be mindful of regardless of the political party
Freedom of thought, belief and religion - I can see things taken an Islamophobic turn in freedom of religion - especially if UKIP are involved
Freedom of assembly and association - see above they've also been on pretty dodgy ground with some protests
Right to marry and start a family - not convinced that they believe in this regardless of sexual oreinatation or that it wouldn't take massive swing for them not to

I would be more inclined to agree with you if I had any faith in our establishment at the moment. It doesn't even seem to take strong suggestions of institutionalised paedophilia particuarly seriously so I thinking abill of rights might be a bit difficult for them.

The laws against forced labour were already in place before HRA and removing the HRA would not stop rights lawyers from challenging the legislation they disagree with in the high courts. We're extremely fortunate that the judiciary is completely independent from the legislative in this country and the processes for challenging would be the same with or without the HRA.

Right to a fair trial - I can't see how making changes to legal aid will diminish a single right as per Article 6 of the HRA https://www.liberty-human-rights.or...human-rights-act/article-6-right-fair-hearing

Respect for your private life...etc. Yes, we need to be vigilant but as I've said personal freedom underpins all right-wing democracies.

Islamophobia - I think you're muddling UKIP with EDL/BNP. Both the Tories and UKIP have many Muslim members and supporters. I think you're worrying for nothing.

Freedom of assembly and association - Once again, all parties are guilty of this but there's no right enshrined under the HRA that wasn't already covered by English Law. I'd also add that this is a qualified right under HRA anyway with enough caveats as to make it open to interpretation from governments.

Right to marry - they may have come late to the party but no-one's going to abolish same-sex rights now. I think at times people underestimate the support a lot of gays have for the Tories.

 

[wellquickwoody]

The tax cuts won't come in until the deficit is paid off, i.e. NEVER

Seems the Labourites have lost their confidence a little since last week......

 

[clippedgull]

from Channel 4 Cameron IS evil!

 

[dingodan]

For me, these two points alone throw my voting intentions into turmoil.

Sellout.

 

[aolstudios]

damn, beaten to it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YBumQHPAeU&sns=fb

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Now by my reckoning someone on minimum wage working 40 hours a week would earn 13250 /yr so the rise in allowance from 10000 to 12500 would benefit them by 500 / year in their pocket.

With an estimated 1.2 million workers on NMW how many do you honestly think will be working 40 hours a week ? The Mirror has said somebody working full time on NMW would take 342 YEARS to earn the same money as the average CEO of one of the top 100 UK companies earns in 12 months.

 

[Notters]

Since when did paying tax become a bad thing?!

 

[KVLT]

Anyone who votes for a party leader who makes up meeting constituents in a public park needs their head read.

Much like anyone who votes for a party leader who makes up eating pasties to appear to be a man of the people?

David Cameron's claims to be a pasty lover backfire

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Sellout.

In what way exactly ?

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

My reading of that was that they want to ban 'exclusive' zero hour contracts, whereby the worker is not guaranteed any hours but not allowed to work for anyone else. These contracts could be viewed as an impediment to the operation of the 'free market', which would make it compatible with Tory beliefs. But I accept that they are really a government intervention.

I still think that this was a pretty right-wing conference, compared to the 'friendly' version of Conversatism that was being preached right up to the last election (and which has continued in recent years due to Coalition policies being announced). Yes, there's been the odd tidbit to appeal to the centre (May's reference yesterday to stop and search was another, in a very right-wing speech on security) but I think that the majority of content has been pretty far right.

My take on this is that zero hours contracts will morph into variable hours contracts ie a set number of hours per week at times when the business requires people to work with periods throughout the year when they're not busy with no set hours but allowing an employee to have a variable hours contract with (additional) employers providing there is no conflict.

 

[Ernest]

Seems the Labourites have lost their confidence a little since last week......

Not at all, after this weeks show I'm even MORE confident especially as the next omni shambles is only round the corner like the Car Tax

 

[Horsham Gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YBumQHPAeU&feature=youtu.be