[Misc] Brighton ignores St George’s Day

[Guinness Boy]

A former GF of mine is German. She absolutely loathed what she called 'English Verdplay'. The way we say things that are not quite correct, either for comedy porpoises, or because we aren't particularly bothered about the accuracy of certain things. I sometime look back on a conversation I have had and have thought "I should of done better, there", but in reality ambiguity, whether deliberate or carless, is part of being English.

It has the added benefit of allowing non-English to imagine they understand what's going on when in reality they have been duped, whooshed or simply mocked without their realizing. A childish sport, I realize, but it is quite....moreish.

I have to say it can be a challenge for the neurodiverse (moi) and I guess it can be a source of absolute fury for the non native-speaking neurodiverse (such as my German ex-GF). But on the whole, if there is any one thing that defines Englishness, this is it

This is tremendous. I'm now playing 'genuine typo v whoosh' in my head.

The 'should of' is a whoosh for sure as it's at least your second. Maybe your forth*

It's only a matter of time before I do it deliberately, having been brainwashed by whooshes, resulting in my brian** no longer recognising the WRONGNESS.

*what?



**genuinely, WHAT?

 

[Billy the Fish]

The big challenge for real patriots is to retrieve symbols of our beautiful country from racist zealots who have somehow stolen them and who parade them as a means to fragment the cohesion of our society and generate division.

I find that the flag's only purpose nowadays it to identify idiots. Sadly, as a symbol it's been corrupted by the right and far right into a stick with which to beat people rather that a symbol to stand beside with pride.

Is there any evidence for this? As far as I can tell, "the far right has stolen our flag" is just a lazy trope to bring out during these discussions.

In fact, it's just the opposite of the OP video "you're not allowed to be English anymore"

It's all bollocks, and only exists as vehicle for either side to start an argument, convinced that the other side is out to get them.

99% of English people are comfortable not giving a shit about any of this except when the footy/rugby/cricket/Olympics is on, or there's a coronation.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

If you know how to say Łódź, that joke falls a little flat.

#polishpronunciationpedantry

By-(d)goszcz, you're right.

 

[The Fits]

Serious question out of intrigue and by no means meaning to antagonise.
If you are English, and patriotic, I'd loved to know what you're so proud of...?

 

[Hotchilidog]

Serious question out of intrigue and by no means meaning to antagonise.
If you are English, and patriotic, I'd loved to know what you're so proud of...?

We invented a sport with meal breaks....I think that is a good start

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Serious question out of intrigue and by no means meaning to antagonise.
If you are English, and patriotic, I'd loved to know what you're so proud of...?

There are a ton of things to be proud of in England, and in England's history - in culture, sport, literature, music, architecture, science, etc, etc.

Mostly, I feel that the English can be proud of their character - introvert, measured, humble, fair-minded (much as this character is being eroded in recent times, its still there)

 

[nicko31]

Serious question out of intrigue and by no means meaning to antagonise.
If you are English, and patriotic, I'd loved to know what you're so proud of...?

Culture, media (the bits not corrupted by foreign actors) and sport

 

[Braggfan]

That’s a very interesting article. Not to go on a tangent but I really don’t understand what point of England players kneeling achieves. It just comes as gaslighting, activism without no fruits just comes across as an empty gesture.
I never knew Southgate wrote a letter that England players are there to educate fans on social justice, thats new, players were never expected to do that before. Maybe a sign of the times.

I don't think gaslighting is the right phrase there.

 

[hart's shirt]

If you are English, and patriotic, I'd loved to know what you're so proud of...?

“50% of the inventions inverted after the second world war have been English.

Trains, Boats, Planes, Computers, Penicillin*, Connect Four, Countdown, Generation Game, Telephones*, Parliament, National Health, Luddites, Bessemer Converter, Spinning Jenny, Steam, Internal Combustion, Hovercraft, The Clash, Blur, Oasis, Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Capstan Full Strength, Navy Rum, Hipsters, Hippies, Flares, Vera Lynn and Chris Kamara!”

17 year old Lily Allen, her first time on a single.
An even younger Alfie 'Theon Greyjoy' Allen.
Wayne Sleep pirouetting in Carnaby Street.
Danny Baker.
Kammy.





*Scottish, but let's not quibble about the details here.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

That’s a very interesting article. Not to go on a tangent but I really don’t understand what point of England players kneeling achieves. It just comes as gaslighting, activism without no fruits just comes across as an empty gesture.
I never knew Southgate wrote a letter that England players are there to educate fans on social justice, thats new, players were never expected to do that before. Maybe a sign of the times.

1) It’s not gaslighting.
2) The knee in the context of England players, is about awareness ….something it clearly achieves wouldn’t you say?

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Yep, I don't remember when the St George's cross became so prominent at England games either. This is England fans in Turin during Italia 90, a lot more Union flagging:

I'm in that picture

Union Flags up to Italia 90 - St. George's Cross from Euro 96 onwards.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

We invented a sport with meal breaks....I think that is a good start

Strictly speaking, the tea break is an Australian invention.

And that's tea

A peek at a tradition enshrined in the longer versions of the game

www.espncricinfo.com

Being open to other country's good ideas is something to be proud of though.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Serious question out of intrigue and by no means meaning to antagonise.
If you are English, and patriotic, I'd loved to know what you're so proud of...?

The Austin Maxi, Rustler's Burgers and newbuild semis in Stevenage.

 

[Hotchilidog]

Strictly speaking, the tea break is an Australian invention.

And that's tea

A peek at a tradition enshrined in the longer versions of the game

www.espncricinfo.com

Being open to other country's good ideas is something to be proud of though.

We still keep lunch though right? Also Australia is ours so that counts as us....

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Does anyone know of this Paul Thorpe character? Just listening to his opening lines again, refers to Brighton, where he lives, as a "city of shame".

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

We still keep lunch though right? Also Australia is ours so that counts as us....

I assume that the lunch break has "always" existed in some form or other.

As far as you second sentence is concerned, if we were discussing Britain or the British I'd agree in this context (i.e. the late 19th century origins of meal breaks in cricket), but I don't think we can reasonably consider Australians to be English.

As it happens I've never been particularly fussed by being English, I normally think of myself as British and from Sussex. I try and avoid being too closely associated with Surrey.

 

[Jackthelad]

1) It’s not gaslighting.
2) The knee in the context of England players, is about awareness ….something it clearly achieves wouldn’t you say?

Not really no. I think it’s a waste, there are far better ways of stoping racism and awareness.

 

[JBizzle]

Is there any evidence for this? As far as I can tell, "the far right has stolen our flag" is just a lazy trope to bring out during these discussions.

In fact, it's just the opposite of the OP video "you're not allowed to be English anymore"

It's all bollocks, and only exists as vehicle for either side to start an argument, convinced that the other side is out to get them.

99% of English people are comfortable not giving a shit about any of this except when the footy/rugby/cricket/Olympics is on, or there's a coronation.

You may be right, however, and this is just my observation, every single person I have interacted with on X that has a St George flag in their bio or name are on the right side of the spectrum. The evidence is simply my experience on that app. What I should have said is that it's something that the "vocal right and far right have co-opted", which I do still see as being a big part of the nationalism behind the likes of Reform and UKIP.

I do agree though, most people don't give a crap about things like this.

 

[AlbionBro]

Bit early, shirley?....Alright for you retirees, poncing about. Some of us have work to do Making Britain great again.

Go out early get home early. Had a nice steak and kidney pie, which went down nicely with some Pride. Quite a few of those Brexit folk in there celebrating the Rwanda bill, they were pretending to be planes, odd bunch.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Not really no. I think it’s a waste, there are far better ways of stoping racism and awareness.

Care to give some better examples of raising awareness? IMHO, for such a simple and quick act, it gets a hell of a lot of attention.