[News] Brighton & Hove Children walk out in Solidarity for Peace, or half a day skiving.

[borat]

As expected you’ve laid your cards very firmly on the Palestinian/Hamas side, when the alleged entire point of the day off school is peace for all. You made it political by introducing antisemites mate Corbyn, the allegations him and his corrupt reign as Labour leader were proven by the EHRC. Widely reported by the Guardian and Independent.

This goes back decades, to the Cold War. The bitter left have ‘a thing’ on certain geopolitical issues. in essence enemies of the US, UK, NATO and Jewry are perceived as friends. Sweeping under the carpet genocidal regimes, murderous terrorists. A token “commiserations for the victims in the kibbutz's”, stands out as tokenism. There will be many Brits who think Jews don’t have the right to any state or presence in the Middle East, airbrushing out 2,500 years of history, I’ve met one or two.

Lots of conjecture there but will leave you to that.

Everyone in their right and moral minds should be for peace and safety for both Israelis and Palestinians alike. It will never happen if the decades of occupation and Apartheid continues and the UK and especially the US continue to back it politically and financially.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Seeing you’re interested, see post 6. This walk out chose a side, your paper The Argus reported the song of the day was From The River To The Sea. Labour have suspended an MP over that same thing.

Post 6 is nothing to do with 'schools being emptied' because of today's parade, it's about Jewish people in Brighton having safety concerns about what's happening and that is quite understandable.

I did ask Mrs Wz whether there was any extra security when she was helping out at the Synagogue last Saturday, but thankfully she said no

And the fact that you think the Argus is 'MY' paper. Which balanced local paper would you recommend

 

[Weststander]

Lots of conjecture there but will leave you to that.

Everyone in their right and moral minds should be for peace and safety for both Israelis and Palestinians alike. It will never happen if the decades of occupation and Apartheid continues and the UK and especially the US continue to back it politically and financially.

For years I’ve believed in a two separate states.

In addition to your view, the likes of Hezbollah should crushed. They’re antisemitic, their raison d’etre is to murder, essentially a wing of Iran’s fascist state, they’re happily kill anyone in the way of Iran.

 

[Zeberdi]

The sooner we get away from this being a Jewish thing instead of being an Israel thing the better.

Hell will freeze over before that happens because to focus on it a being specifically a ‘Jewish’ problem, serves the agenda of those who would defend Israel’s secular military actions and render anyone who criticises them as anti-semitic.

 

[Weststander]

Post 6 is nothing to do with 'schools being emptied' because of today's parade, it's about Jewish people in Brighton having safety concerns about what's happening and that is quite understandable.

I did ask Mrs Wz whether there was any extra security when she was helping out at the Synagogue last Saturday, but thankfully she said no

And the fact that you think the Argus is 'MY' paper. Which balanced local paper would you recommend

GB also clearly pointed out “How about a school strike for a lasting peace on both sides instead of picking a team?”

The Argus is ad ridden comic there to shit stir, the other is I gather right wing? Their Albion expert I noticed is a former NSC’er. Not reluctantly, I avoid both.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

Hell will freeze over before that happens because to focus on it a being specifically a ‘Jewish’ problem, serves the agenda of those who would defend Israel’s secular military actions and render anyone who criticises them as anti-semitic.

Perzackly.

 

[WATFORD zero]

GB also clearly pointed out “How about a school strike for a lasting peace on both sides instead of picking a team?”

The Argus is ad ridden comic there to shit stir, the other is I gather right wing? Their Albion expert I noticed is a former NSC’er. Not reluctantly, I avoid both.

I agree completely that the march should have been for Peace, not Palestine, I just thought that your comment 'entire schools will be emptied for this one' is factually incorrect and is the type of hyperbole which really doesn't help in what I think everyone agrees is an extremely delicate and complex situation

 

[Weststander]

I agree completely that the march should have been for Peace, not Palestine, I just thought that your comment 'entire schools will be emptied for this one' is factually incorrect and is the type of hyperbole which really doesn't help in what I think everyone agrees is an extremely delicate and complex situation

I hope I didn’t cause too much of a ripple. I hadn’t noticed delicacy in Hamas type threads, instead the usual entrenched views, grandstanding, insults, barely veiled hidden agendas and folk ‘disappearing’ after a thread ban.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

I posted some time back that Synagogue’s in Brighton & Hove always have very strong security- doors locked if no one is on them (I know this from first hand experience of attending synagogue) and security cameras and many have bars on the windows and metal screens on the doors - you have to ring a bell to get in if no one is on the door - they’ve received quite a lot of central government funding for this over the years and I know some of the London synagogues have increased security obviously since 7/10 - perhaps it is not regarded as necessary in Brighton? I don’t think we are at the stage thank goodness anywhere where they are employing armed guards as they are in American synagogues…or giving guns to schoolchildren to take to school

I helped my dad cleaning/locking up a synagogue in Brighton when I was younger.
The comparison with churches (frequently left unlocked for anybody to wander in whenever they like) is quite revealing.

You are still not reading my posts properly

As a general observation, if you regularly find yourself writing this (or variations such as "you haven't read my post XX"), that suggests you're not writing your posts properly, rather than people not reading them right.
The alternative is that you're wasting large amounts of time arguing with people not making a sincere attempt to read what you're writing.

 

[Chicken Run]

Here’s a picture of the protest today, doesn’t look like there’s many there

 

[Weststander]

I posted some time back that Synagogue’s in Brighton & Hove always have very strong security- doors locked if no one is on them (I know this from first hand experience of attending synagogue) and security cameras and many have bars on the windows and metal screens on the doors - you have to ring a bell to get in if no one is on the door - they’ve received quite a lot of central government funding for this over the years and I know some of the London synagogues have increased security obviously since 7/10 - perhaps it is not regarded as necessary in Brighton? I don’t think we are at the stage thank goodness anywhere where they are employing armed guards as they are in American synagogues…or giving guns to schoolchildren to take to school

Logically, it is very much needed in Hove, shirley a soft target for antisemites away from the well known London diaspora.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Logically, it is very much needed in Hove, shirley a soft target for antisemites away from the well known London diaspora.

The Synagogue that Mrs Wz helps out at has always had exactly the type of security described by @Zeberdi (sadly), but they haven't put anything else in place as a result of the last few weeks. Ever the optimist, I like to think it's because the previously mentioned People's Republic of Brighton and Hove actually understand the difference between the Jewish Faith and the Israeli Government

 

[Weststander]

The Synagogue that Mrs Wz helps out at has always had exactly the type of security described by @Zeberdi (sadly), but they haven't put anything else in place as a result of the last few weeks. Ever the optimist, I like to think it's because the previously mentioned People's Republic of Brighton and Hove actually understand the difference between the Jewish Faith and the Israeli Government

I would imagine that armed anti terrorist officers have a hidden presence. They were definitely strategically placed 24-7 around Brighton 5 years ago as a general matter of course (not to do with Jews), I had lawful dealings with Sussex Police where they mentioned stuff.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

I would imagine that armed anti terrorist officers have a hidden presence. They were definitely strategically placed 24-7 around Brighton 5 years ago as a general matter of course (not to do with Jews), I had lawful dealings with Sussex Police where they mentioned stuff.

Do armed officers ever wander around Brighton to "provide reassurance"?
I got talking to a couple of them doing that on the platform at Doncaster train station at about 8am once. I did point out that seeing armed police hanging around that early on an apparently normal weekday was the opposite of reassuring.

 

[Zeberdi]

I helped my dad cleaning/locking up a synagogue in Brighton when I was younger.
The comparison with churches (frequently left unlocked for anybody to wander in whenever they like) is quite revealing….
As a general observation, if you regularly find yourself writing this (or variations such as "you haven't read my post XX"), that suggests you're not writing your posts properly, rather than people not reading them right.
The alternative is that you're wasting large amounts of time arguing with people not making a sincere attempt to read what you're writing.

That used to be the case - very few churches leave their doors unlocked now unless there are people in them keeping watch - because of theft more than anything and drunk homeless people moving in rather than fear of religious intolerance. As for your general observation, I suspect it is more a case that a chat forum doesn’t lend itself to complex and nuanced answers - if you argue both sides of an issue, it confuses people or just loses them - most people understandably find it easier to engage in simple for and against debates online and when they can’t, they either disengage or try and pigeon hole you into a position by creating straw arguments. My position has also been unchanged and very clear in every post on the subject.

There is a very specific small list of people that have very strong views against all Palestinians and also have very anti-religious perspectives- I like to think the forum accommodates all views but unfortunately those with a minority position on a thread often end up flouncing instead of putting forward sensible arguments to contribute to the debates which are supported by facts rather than hyperbole and emotion.

I think that is a great shame but this is a football forum not a university law mooting society…

 

[Weststander]

Do armed officers ever wander around Brighton to "provide reassurance"?
I got talking to a couple of them doing that on the platform at Doncaster train station at about 8am once. I did point out that seeing armed police hanging around that early on an apparently normal weekday was the opposite of reassuring.

I know they're unmarked cars in and around every entry road to the city.

I must admit I haven't seen that in the daytime.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

I know they're unmarked cars in and around every entry road to the city.

I must admit I haven't seen that in the daytime.

That's legitimately quite unerving to know.
Mainly because I occasionally drive around the A23/A27 junction too quickly at 3am when on my way home.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

That used to be the case - very few churches leave their doors unlocked now unless there are people in them keeping watch - because of theft more than anything and drunk homeless people moving in rather than fear of religious intolerance.

Which is a great shame, but for issues much wider than the subject of this thread.

As for your general observation, I suspect it is more a case that a chat forum doesn’t lend itself to complex and nuanced answers - if you argue both sides of an issue, it confuses people or just loses them - most people understandably find it easier to engage in simple for and against debates online and when they can’t, they either disengage or try and pigeon hole you into a position by creating straw arguments. My position has also been unchanged and very clear in every post on the subject.

There is a very specific small list of people that have very strong views against all Palestinians and also have very anti-religious perspectives- I like to think the forum accommodates all views but unfortunately those with a minority position on a thread often end up flouncing instead of putting forward sensible arguments to contribute to the debates which are supported by facts rather than hyperbole and emotion.

I think that is a great shame but this is a football forum not a university law mooting society…

There's a great line of Pete Townshend's (that I know from an interview with Ritchie Blackmore when he was talking about Smoke On The Water): "you have to keep things simple, and take people with you".
Always, regardless of context, it is the responsibility of the writer to be clear, not the reader to understand.

 

[Zeberdi]

Always, regardless of context, it is the responsibility of the writer to be clear, not the reader to understand.

Agreed but it is very hard to convey the complexities of the Israel-Hamas war in a few sentences which is about the limit of most people’s concentration tbh! I have struggled very much to do just that on the Hamas thread but some folk just don’t want to hear it - it is probably the wrong forum to do it on - if I do not read new ideas or alternative opinions with an open mind, I can not blame the writer for not convincing me of his POV.

 

[Cotton Socks]

Guys/Girls you're all arguing on a thread about whether 'little Psycho', (I thought that was a very harsh name to call your child until I realised that @Psychobilly freakout had shortened it ) was going to get told off for bunking off of school or not!!
'Little Psycho' should be at school learning crap, that will get them 'numbers' to grade their attainment, that they will be judged by. They've missed enough bloody school due to Covid, unless you home-schooled your kid throughout that period then don't comment on that bit. It was bloody hard work and why anyone would 'choose' to do that is beyond me.
Sorry @Psychobilly freakout but I think that 'little Psycho' should be staying in school especially as there are a lot of arguments going on (as you can see by this thread). Tensions are running high & it will be safer for her to stay in school. Those few hours at school missed, could be the ones that were supposed to teach her about some useless algebra equation thing, that they have to know for some pointless reason for their maths gsce.