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The Large One

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... well, not directly. By implication.

Lawyer rates Leeds' points battle

Leading sports lawyer Richard Cramer believes Leeds United have a "25-30% chance" of having their 15-point penalty overturned. An arbitration panel will decide on the Football League's sanction to dock Leeds points in mid-April. Cramer told BBC Radio Leeds: "A few weeks ago, I thought it was bleak. But having seen the legal documents, I think the prospects have improved. I think there's probably a 25-30% chance of winning."

Leeds are appealing against the Football League's decision to dock them points on the eve of the season for breaching their rules on insolvency. They issued a High Court writ against the Football League, which has been frozen while the matter is heard by an arbitration panel.

The hearing will be held in private in front of a neutral Court of Appeal judge, and one representative each from Leeds and the Football League. United are arguing that the penalty imposed by the League was unlawful, that the decision by the other clubs to dismiss Leeds' subsequent appeal against the sanction was also unlawful, that the 15-point penalty was a disproportionate sanction and that the League have punished the club for the conduct of its administrators, KPMG. Neither Leeds nor the Football League have commented, but Cramer has seen the original High Court writ, which is a public document.

"Although the actual arbitration proceedings are the subject of confidentiality, as night follows day what's in that legal document at the High Court will form the basis for the legal argument at the arbitration," said Cramer. "It's a very well presented case, and Leeds United have clearly worked very hard, which is not surprising as there's a huge amount at stake. There are significant hurdles to overcome. Probably the biggest hurdle is that Leeds actually signed a document to say they would take the Golden Share [a membership of the Football League which every club must have in order to compete] but they would accept the 15-point deduction. It's a tough one for the arbitration panel. I think where Leeds have got some comfort is that it's my understanding that the three-man panel is chaired by a very senior High Court judge or a Court of Appeal judge, so there's going to be some sanity to the arbitration proceedings and I think they will apply a legalistic approach to them."

Even if Leeds do not get all 15 points returned, Cramer believes that they could get some of them back. He added: "They may carve it up - they might say 'Well hold on, 15 points is too much, we've got to give them something' and bring it down to eight, seven or six."



In other news, Leeds United are not allowing the BBC Radio Leeds to broadcast live from Elland Road from next season onwards. No reason has been given.
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Icy Gull

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Jul 5, 2003
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I have sympathy for Leeds United's claims. How would we feel if Albion were docked fifteen points because of what the club's accountants did?

Be interesting to know how sympathetic you'd be if it got them into the playoffs at our expense?
 


unnameable

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Feb 25, 2004
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Be interesting to know how sympathetic you'd be if it got them into the playoffs at our expense?

I would have mixed feelings. Ultimately, I put the interests of the Albion above a sense of justice, which is why I hope that Leeds United fail in their attempt to get their points back.
 


hans kraay fan club

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Probably the biggest hurdle is that Leeds actually signed a document to say they would take the Golden Share [a membership of the Football League which every club must have in order to compete] but they would accept the 15-point deduction


Case closed. Now f*** off.
 




The Auditor

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Probably the biggest hurdle is that Leeds actually signed a document to say they would take the Golden Share [a membership of the Football League which every club must have in order to compete] but they would accept the 15-point deduction


Case closed. Now f*** off.

I would hope that it the right and logical answer
 


The Oldman

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Jul 12, 2003
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Also of note is the story that Leeds are not renewing BBC Leeds contract for live commentary. Imagine the fuss if BBC SCR was dealt with in the same way. The armchair fans would be up in arms as they appear to be in Leeds.
 


Couldn't Be Hyypia

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Leeds went into administration when they already knew that they were going to be relegated from the Championship so that the 10 point deduction would not affect them the following season.

The League spotted this clear attempt to con the system and slapped them with a point fine. This is not a simple case of a club going into administration - they tried to con the system.

They were lucky to get away with 15 points - wankers.
 




clapham_gull

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Aug 20, 2003
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Leeds went into administration when they already knew that they were going to be relegated from the Championship so that the 10 point deduction would not affect them the following season.

The League spotted this clear attempt to con the system and slapped them with a point fine. This is not a simple case of a club going into administration - they tried to con the system.

They were lucky to get away with 15 points - wankers.

The 15 point fine had nothing to do with that.

It was the manner in which they left administration wasn't it ?
 


Also of note is the story that Leeds are not renewing BBC Leeds contract for live commentary. Imagine the fuss if BBC SCR was dealt with in the same way. The armchair fans would be up in arms as they appear to be in Leeds.

..............., season ticket holder Brendan from Morley said: "I really do not think the club has thought this through.

After all the problems regarding ticket prices, I think the last thing that's needed is more alienation of the fans, when many of us already feel the club do not care."

:whistle::whistle::whistle:
 


clapham_gull

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Aug 20, 2003
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It has moved over to Bates radio station, which in fairness is available locally.


( if you go out and buy a DAB )
 




Wardy

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It has moved over to Bates radio station, which in fairness is available locally.


( if you go out and buy a DAB )

Which can be brought in the club colours in the shop at the fair price of £64.99
 


Seagullible

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Jul 7, 2003
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why can't they just admit they f***ed up, have been punished and just get on with this season finishing mid table and start fresh next year. Have no sympathy for the club, we have played by the rules and had some very hard times despite being f***ed over and not having a ground, wasn't my fault but I had to put up with it.
 


The 15 point fine had nothing to do with that.

It was the manner in which they left administration wasn't it ?


It was because the cheating bastard bates brought the club out of administration without a properly agreed CVA being in place, against FL rules. Add to that the shithead has basically stolen money from groups like the St Johns then quite frankly the league should have withdrawn the golden share, relegated leeds to one of the feeder leagues and told bates to f*** off.
 




Dave the OAP

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..............., season ticket holder Brendan from Morley said: "I really do not think the club has thought this through.

After all the problems regarding ticket prices, I think the last thing that's needed is more alienation of the fans, when many of us already feel the club do not care."

:whistle::whistle::whistle:


punish:


Who would ever think a football club would take advantage of their fans
 




Scoffers

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To be fair, I have mentally added 15 points to leads points total since they had them docked, whatever you think about the off the field dealings, the points they scored were points they earned fairly. It wouldnt bother me if we missed out on the playoffs in the event they had the points reinstated, I don't hold any grudges. To me, it's all about the fans, it's their club not the Bates's of this world, and although Leeds dont have the greatest history of well behaving fans, you cannot deny the majority are fanatical without being thugs!

If this happened to us, it's the fans that would be most effected, it's no different with Leeds.

Give them a financial penalty, for sure, fine them £1m or sommat, but give them their points back and stop messing about.
 


Dave the OAP

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To be fair, I have mentally added 15 points to leads points total since they had them docked, whatever you think about the off the field dealings, the points they scored were points they earned fairly. It wouldnt bother me if we missed out on the playoffs in the event they had the points reinstated, I don't hold any grudges. To me, it's all about the fans, it's their club not the Bates's of this world, and although Leeds dont have the greatest history of well behaving fans, you cannot deny the majority are fanatical without being thugs!

If this happened to us, it's the fans that would be most effected, it's no different with Leeds.

Give them a financial penalty, for sure, fine them £1m or sommat, but give them their points back and stop messing about.


what is the point of giving them a million pounds fine when they have just come out of administration, being in it because they couldnt pay debts including £500 to St John's Ambulance?

The FL made a decision, if Leeds win this in the courts, then I cannot see the FL ever making a decision to punish a club again....in fact I am very surprised someone hasn't challenged the 10 points deduction for going into administration. How does not being able to settle your bills have any bearing on points you have won against fellow teams........?
 




TonyW

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Feb 11, 2004
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With a bit of luck, sanity will prevail here, and the senior judges will not only ratify the 15 point penalty, but increase it to something like 40.

The crooked Yorkshire bastards should have been relegated to the conference.

They have bought a hat full of new players with money that isn't theirs, and they should be treated with utter contempt.
 


Tyrone Biggums

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Jun 25, 2006
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To be fair, I have mentally added 15 points to leads points total since they had them docked, whatever you think about the off the field dealings, the points they scored were points they earned fairly. It wouldnt bother me if we missed out on the playoffs in the event they had the points reinstated, I don't hold any grudges. To me, it's all about the fans, it's their club not the Bates's of this world, and although Leeds dont have the greatest history of well behaving fans, you cannot deny the majority are fanatical without being thugs!

If this happened to us, it's the fans that would be most effected, it's no different with Leeds.

Give them a financial penalty, for sure, fine them £1m or sommat, but give them their points back and stop messing about.

That's debatable.

Is it fair to those they owed money to that they get ripped off millions only for Leeds to then go out and spend big wads of money on the players who earnt them points.

That doesn't seem fair to me.
 


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