[News] Brianna Ghey murder.

[Whitechapel]

You’d think the son of immigrants of Indian descent who grew up in the 80s and 90s would be able to remember a childhood where he was almost certainly called any number of racist slurs and would have even the most basic semblance of compassion for targeted groups and how horrible it can be, especially as a teenager.

He’s the human definition of pulling the ladder up behind you. It’s not socially acceptable to call people p*kis anymore so why would he care about who is being targeted now?

 

[Curious Orange]

And also this from wiki:

• Transvestite should not be confused with transgender (see that term for more); transvestites are often happy with their gender and have no desire to change their sex, but simply enjoy being able to cross-dress from time to time. When speaking of to or about an individual who identifies as transgender, the term transvestite is typically seen as derogatory.

I've edited my previous posts to include the transgender, as I think it is helpful to point out that "trans" seems to be being used to cover several quite separate and unrelated groupings.

Your other link was quite informative, and I'm glad to see that there isn't really any rights issues, with the possible exception in relation to the use of female only spaces, in this country at least.

 

[A1X]

 

[severnside gull]

When guilty of the indefensible, attack those who oppose you #HitlerPlayBook1930’sGermany

 

[Billy the Fish]

you’ve posted three awful incidents above. obviously the perpetrators in these cases are vile individuals who need to be jailed.

if we are going to legislate on restricting bathroom access for trans people, however, the statistical evidence needs to show that trans people pose an inherent risk by being allowed to use the bathroom of their gender identity, for example. the evidence does not show this, in fact it shows the opposite.

Transgender teens with restricted bathroom access at higher risk of sexual assault

Transgender and gender-nonbinary teens face greater risk of sexual assault in schools that prevent them from using bathrooms or locker rooms consistent with their gender identity, according to a re…

www.hsph.harvard.edu

No link between trans-inclusive policies and bathroom safety, study finds

There is no evidence that letting transgender people use public facilities that align with their gender identity increases safety risks, a UCLA study finds.

www.nbcnews.com

Transgender people over four times more likely than cisgender people to be victims of violent crime

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu

even in any data which potentially demonstrates a higher than average offending rate from male-to-female transgender people, the question has to be asked about where female-to-male transgender people fit into the equation, if we are then going to legislate on this. or are they just collateral?

I'm not particularly arguing for specifics, every situation needs to be looked at on merit.

You've drilled down into a specific scenario which is probably the easiest to reach a consensus on and I'm not going to argue against any of those studies.

I do take issue with people throwing around labels like bigot and transphobe at anyone who tries to highlight genuine problems created by self identification. The situations I posted are all a result of the trans lobby not being willing to acknowledge biological sex, and not acknowledging situations where women are vulnerable, even if that's from predatory men who want to exploit the system.

 

[drew]

The issue is we have both the only two realistic parties of government turning into each other policy-wise because they are both targeting a small sliver of extremely rightwing voters who they think decides general elections.

The rest of us are just f***ed in wanting any kind of alternative to how the country is run currently as all that is left for us to do is useless protest votes for small parties that get annihilated under the first past the post system. It's a joke democracy, however you vote at the next General Election, the same set of policies running the country presently will win whatever happens and there is nothing the British people can do about it if the elites have stitched up both main parties

You really think that Starmer is going after extremely right wing voters? I don't see that myself. The election will be decided by swing voters, not those entrenched in their views, whether they are on the left or right.

 

[beorhthelm]

You really think that Starmer is going after extremely right wing voters? I don't see that myself. The election will be decided by swing voters, not those entrenched in their views, whether they are on the left or right.

probably fair guess that many "red wall" voters are socially conservative, and not comfortable with some changes to society and culture that appear somewhat abruptly.

 

[DJ NOBO]

EDIT: Brianna’s dad has indeed said he’s upset by sunak’s comments so nothing to see here …


This post is not a defence of Sunak, who is the latest in a long line of crap, careerist PMs.
Good riddance to him later this year.

It is questioning the social media hysteria about what Sunak said.

Some questions :
Did Sunak actually make a slur against trans people? It sounded to me like a slur against what he sees as starmer’s fence sitting.

Is there any evidence Brianna’s mum was offended by what sunak said?
If she has spoken out , then I do get the outcry. If not , is the world being offended on her behalf?

Was she actually there?

 

[dejavuatbtn]

Sunak - bad day at the office compounded by his attempts to teach us about inflation using a white board.
dipstick!

 

[Curious Orange]

Did Sunak actually make a slur against trans people? It sounded to me like a slur against what he sees as starmer’s fence sitting.

The video in that tweet was cut weirdly, but it sounded like Sunak was questioning whether Starmer knew how to define a woman? I thought he'd already said 'adult female' back in July?

All very odd.

 

[TomandJerry]

This post is not a defence of Sunak, who is the latest in a long line of crap, careerist PMs.
Good riddance to him later this year.

It is questioning the social media hysteria about what Sunak said.

Some questions :
Did Sunak actually make a slur against trans people? It sounded to me like a slur against what he sees as starmer’s fence sitting.

Is there any evidence Brianna’s mum was offended by what sunak said?
If she has spoken out , then I do get the outcry. If not , is the world being offended on her behalf?

Was she actually there?

The father of murdered teenager Brianna Ghey has demanded Rishi Sunak apologise after the prime minister made a jibe at the expense of transgender people just after being told Brianna’s mother was watching him in the House of Commons.

After the exchanges, at prime minister’s questions, Brianna’s father, Peter Spooner, called Sunak’s comments “absolutely dehumanising”.


“For the prime minister of our country to come out with degrading comments like he did, regardless of them being in relation to discussions in parliament, they are absolutely dehumanising.

“Identities of people should not be used in that manner, and I personally feel shocked by his comments and feel he should apologise for his remarks,” he told Sky News.

 

[ROSM]

This post is not a defence of Sunak, who is the latest in a long line of crap, careerist PMs.
Good riddance to him later this year.

It is questioning the social media hysteria about what Sunak said.

Some questions :
Did Sunak actually make a slur against trans people? It sounded to me like a slur against what he sees as starmer’s fence sitting.

Is there any evidence Brianna’s mum was offended by what sunak said?
If she has spoken out , then I do get the outcry. If not , is the world being offended on her behalf?

Was she actually there?

He used trans people as a punchline in a political dig. On a day when the mum of a murdered trans person was on the parliamentary estate.

She was on the estate but turned up on the gallery 15 mins into pmqs so missed the dig by seconds

She asked to meet starmer afterwards. She hasnt made a public comment. Brianna's father has however asked for an apology this evening

 

[Curious Orange]

He used trans people as a punchline in a political dig. On a day when the mum of a murdered trans person was on the parliamentary estate.

She was on the estate but turned up on the gallery 15 mins into pmqs so missed the dig by seconds

She asked to meet starmer afterwards. She hasnt made a public comment. Brianna's father has however asked for an apology this evening

Okay, I understand now, Sunak was referring to Starmer's earlier 99.9% of woman don't have a penis comment from April.

Still very odd, seems like a storm in a teacup to me, though given the context of who was expected to be present I can see why people might assume it wasn't just a dig at Starmer.

I don't really see why having an evolving position on a subject is even a problem to be honest. If we don't allow ourselves or our politicians to properly consider matters how do we ever expect to work towards equitable outcomes?

 

[ROSM]

Okay, I understand now, Sunak was referring to Starmer's earlier 99.9% of woman don't have a penis comment from April.

Still very odd, seems like a storm in a teacup to me.

Trying politics of division would be like taking the mickey out of pitbulls in front of the family of the family of the woman killed by 2 xl bullies this week.

 

[Mustafa II]

Not just the Tories, but the whole house is a bunch of clowns. Keep this absurd trans debate out of politics, for f*** sake.

"Later, Mr Sunak ignored a call from Labour MP Liz Twist to "apologise to Brianna Ghey's mother""

Brianna Ghey's mother has a lot more to be concerned about rather than your pathetic political point scoring. Why involve her?? Absolute wankers the lot of them.

Politics is broken. The trans debate is bizarre and largely irrelevant. A teenager has been murdered - it has nothing to do with politics and their gender is irrelevant to all of it.

Definitely not voting Labour. Definitely not voting Tories. Wankers the lot of them.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Definitely not voting Labour. Definitely not voting Tories. Wankers the lot of them.

This.

They're all the same

 

[pb21]

Politics is broken. The trans debate is bizarre and largely irrelevant. A teenager has been murdered - it has nothing to do with politics and their gender is irrelevant to all of it.

Largely agree with your post, I find this issue and how much weight it's given bizzare too. However, it is being politicised, very much by one side of the spectrum, presumably as there is seen to be a large amount of political capital by doing so.

IMO, in this regard, both sides are not the same.

 

[jonny.rainbow]

You really think that Starmer is going after extremely right wing voters? I don't see that myself. The election will be decided by swing voters, not those entrenched in their views, whether they are on the left or right.

Not just ‘swing’ voters. It will equally be decided by those disenfranchised from their natural party as it lurches towards the centre.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

This.

They're all the same

I can’t help thinking that anybody who says “they’re all the same” isn’t really paying attention.

 

[Is it PotG?]

I can’t help thinking that anybody who says “they’re all the same” isn’t really paying attention.

I'm sure that Blair Ii will be on a similar gravy train to the warmonger himself after his election and subsequent 'retirement'.