[Politics] Brexit

[DataPoint]

The current government are to blame for the break up.

Not Blair's miscalculaion?

 

[m20gull]

I would also add the Blair government promising and delivering Scottish devolution which they rather naively thought would satisfy the Scottish nationalists, instead, the SNP have gone from strength to strength, engineered one referendum and constantly agitate to break up the UK (also destroyed Labour in Scotland making winning a UK GE very difficult).

The Union with Scotland has never been complete anyway. Devolution just allowed that separation to develop. Like with Brexit it's a one way street. The SNP only need to win one referendum and it's done. It will happen and we need to get over it. Ireland is always going to reunify at some stage. Does it matter to England?

 

[Hugo Rune]

Whilst I’m passionate about the ‘stronger together’ thing, we may well see the Scots, N.Irish and Welsh effectively kick England out of the Union. They could leave the UK and then together, become the Republic Of Caledonia and rejoin the EU. I think that would offer a very enticing compromise for the Welsh and the Irish Republicans although the Scots would need convincing that total independence is not the way forward, to be honest, it appears to be anything but the English for our haggis chomping cousins and good luck to them.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

Whilst I’m passionate about the ‘stronger together’ thing, we may well see the Scots, N.Irish and Welsh effectively kick England out of the Union. They could leave the UK and then together, become the Republic Of Caledonia and rejoin the EU. I think that would offer a very enticing compromise for the Welsh and the Irish Republicans although the Scots would need convincing that total independence is not the way forward, to be honest, it appears to be anything but the English for our haggis chomping cousins and good luck to them.

Can't work out if that's a serious post or a joke.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

The Union with Scotland has never been complete anyway. Devolution just allowed that separation to develop. Like with Brexit it's a one way street. The SNP only need to win one referendum and it's done. It will happen and we need to get over it. Ireland is always going to reunify at some stage. Does it matter to England?

Agree, devolution inadvertently facilitated where we are now but Brexit wasn't inevitable (lots of missteps by Uk governments and the EU plus poor remain campaign) and I don't believe Scottish independence is either. The point about the winning one referendum is fair which is why people who always want another one every few years until they get their way should be resisted. A referendum should be used very sparingly, say once in a lifetime/generation ...

 

[beorhthelm]

let it happen. its a shame they dont want to stay but time to separate the governance. most people wont notice a bit of difference on either side of the border, we'll likely maintain an Anglo-Irish like CTA arrangement. only major change will be their political leaders will have to take full responsibility and stop blaming Westminster for every problem (even those they have devolved).

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

We’d need to find a new home for our Submarine force, the job losses in the Faslane/Helensburgh region would be catastrophic!

Probably come to some mutually beneficial leasing arrangement for Faslane I'd have thought

 

[A1X]

Official Government advice to businesses - might as well move to the EU

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...dvised-government-officials-set-up-shop-in-eu

For something which is supposedly so brilliant it doesn't half seem shit

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I would more put the blame on a host of things. David Cameron's decision to allow a referendum, the Brexit vote, the EU's intransigence to change in the face of growing opposition to many of its policies, Merkel's decision to allow a million plus refugees/immigrants to cross into Europe unfettered, growing desire for independence in some Scots particularly.

To say the blame is now put on the current government ignores history.

The bizarre thing with the Scots is that many have always wanted more decision making for Scotland made in Scotland - hence devolution and ever more power handed over from London - and rightly so IMHO. Yet if they go independent they will attempt to join the EU ?

 

[vegster]

Official Government advice to businesses - might as well move to the EU

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...dvised-government-officials-set-up-shop-in-eu

For something which is supposedly so brilliant it doesn't half seem shit

Ah but our fish and our Crabs are much happier.. They are looking at much longer lives.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Personally I think the trend from the last 300 years or so, where local power decreased and national/supranational power increased, is the thing to blame. When people think that themselves and their local communities have no power of what is going on, they want to break their unions, especially if they had a lot of autonomy in some past. In the last century when state power increased very rapidly, you saw the growth of organisations like ETA, IRA and so on. Today its done in a different manner but the feeling of being powerless is still going to make people unhappy and wanting to look for as much independence as possible. It got very little to do with any specific decisions or governments, me thinks.

I feel a little strange posting this ..... but .... THIS !

 

[yxee]

It's always been a bit of an awkward line for the SNP to toe, take back control (from London) but hand back control (to Brussels)

 

[willalbion]

Aye aye.. good to see the piss filled nappies have arrived. You’re probably better off sticking with the other hysterical fannys on the Brexit thread.....
Perhaps you could start a Brejoin campaign? We could all leave a light on.
(Don’t tell Greta, she’ll go radio rental)

As a matter of interest, what have you hit against Greta?

 

[Baker lite]

The bizarre thing with the Scots is that many have always wanted more decision making for Scotland made in Scotland - hence devolution and ever more power handed over from London - and rightly so IMHO. Yet if they go independent they will attempt to join the EU ?

It’s quite possible there won’t be an EU to join, now the money tree has uprooted itself and become a Global trading Nation.
Cannot see the EU lasting more than 10 years..


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[wellquickwoody]

Whilst I’m passionate about the ‘stronger together’ thing, we may well see the Scots, N.Irish and Welsh effectively kick England out of the Union. They could leave the UK and then together, become the Republic Of Caledonia and rejoin the EU. I think that would offer a very enticing compromise for the Welsh and the Irish Republicans although the Scots would need convincing that total independence is not the way forward, to be honest, it appears to be anything but the English for our haggis chomping cousins and good luck to them.

Are you English by chance?

 

[Randy McNob]

Official Government advice to businesses - might as well move to the EU

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...dvised-government-officials-set-up-shop-in-eu

For something which is supposedly so brilliant it doesn't half seem shit

ah yes, that's taking back control....

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Think Sturgeon should be more worried about the Alex Salmon case at the moment

 

[Seasidesage]

Cheerio Jocks close the door on the way out.

There cannot and should not be obstacles placed in the way of self determination if this is the will of the people then so be it. Irish unification has been on the cards for many years and is possibly as quietly unpopular an idea in the corridors of power in Dublin as it is on the Shankhill Rd but the demographics will dictate it in a few years anyway not to mention the historical justice of it.

It'll be interesting to see if they can make a success of it especially as I would hope that they pick up their share of the national debt etc as part of any dissolution.

 

[Billy the Fish]

I would also add the Blair government promising and delivering Scottish devolution which they rather naively thought would satisfy the Scottish nationalists, instead, the SNP have gone from strength to strength, engineered one referendum and constantly agitate to break up the UK (also destroyed Labour in Scotland making winning a UK GE very difficult).

I don't blame Blair for doing it, but this was the first and biggest step towards Scottish independence.

Jimmy Krankie now has at her disposal a slick, government funded propaganda machine that can blame anything bad on the UK government and take credit for anything good regardless of who's actually in control. Satisfaction surveys for covid are a great example, Scots give JK a great rating and a terrible one for Boris despite the fact that healthcare is completely devolved and policy has been almost identical for both governments!

 

[Baker lite]

As a matter of interest, what have you hit against Greta?

Nothing at all, but if we all leave a light on until we rejoin the corrupt EU, she ain’t going to best pleased.


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