[Politics] Brexit

[beorhthelm]

Or it could be rules of origin on the original ingredients that were bought into Germany.

sure, question is who on either side benefits from treating rules of origin in this way, made in EU pass through UK to EU shouldnt make any difference to EU. especially for Ireland that'll have to ensure goods go direct to/from EU

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Yes - the UK has decided that every EU company that wants to export to the UK has to register with HMRC, charge UK VAT, collect that VAT, and then remit it to HMRC.

Do they have to remit VAT to HMRC on despatch - or on receipt of payment from the UK ?

 

[Spiros]

Well once the Government have read and figured out what they have negotiated and signed, maybe we'll find out where the cock up is and it can be addressed (or not) depending on the outcome

Or it could be rules of origin on the original ingredients that were bought into Germany, then exported out of the EU and then imported back into the EU. Who could have guessed it was going to be this complicated.

I think what we're really seeing is the problems you get with producing a very complicated agreement (that would normally take several years to review, iron out and sign) being rushed through in a few months to meet an artificial politically-driven deadline. Who'd have thunk it?

 

[WATFORD zero]

sure, question is who on either side benefits from treating rules of origin in this way, made in EU pass through UK to EU shouldnt make any difference to EU. especially for Ireland that'll have to ensure goods go direct to/from EU

Because it's been exported out of the EU and then Imported back in and the 'deal' is very precise about importing/exporting the the UK. It's why Ireland (and Northern ireland) are now looking to bypass the UK completely and do as you say, go straight from Mainland EU to Ireland/Northern Ireland. UK routes have been dropped and replaced by direct EU ones already.

Largest Irish Sea ferry operator cuts sailings due to supply chain problems

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/largest-irish-sea-ferry-operator-cuts-sailings-due-to-supply-chain-problems-1.4452560

 

[WATFORD zero]

Do they have to remit VAT to HMRC on despatch - or on receipt of payment from the UK ?

On despatch. It's why so many EU based companies are stopping shipping to the UK.

Brexit export EU costs a 'nasty shock' for small business owners

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-55593308

From 1 January, the UK government introduced a rule that VAT must be collected at the point of sale rather than the point of importation.

This essentially means that overseas retailers sending goods to the UK are expected to register for UK VAT and account for it to HMRC if the sale value is less than €150 (£135).

This has led to a number of Europe-based retailers deciding they will no longer deliver to the UK.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

They've really cocked the deal up.

Best scrap it and rejoin the Single Market via the EFTA pillar asap.

 

[Stat Brother]

This feels more like a fred [MENTION=19308]Shooting Star[/MENTION]s should have written.

 

[Hotchilidog]

They've really cocked the deal up.

Best scrap it and rejoin the Single Market via the EFTA pillar asap.

Rather than rejoining the EU, I suspect that this is where the debate will end up over the coming years.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Sorry to say you guys who voted brexit have been mugged off.

Please keep to simple facts about what the 'deal' entails, now we that we actually know what it is. If people start posting their opinions, or what may happen, it would simply take this thread off topic and I'm sure no one would want that.

Thanks

 

[Shooting Star]

This feels more like a fred [MENTION=19308]Shooting Star[/MENTION]s should have written.

Is that a slight or a compliment?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

cant work out if thats cock-up in interpretation or cock-up in the agreement. shirley no one intended for EU made goods to incur tariffs going back to EU.

I have just been reading the details about this. Rule of origin seems to be a very standard rule, which is applied to all, or most, non-EU countries to protect the single market. If it didn’t exist it would be very easy to abuse the single market. Unlike most non-EU countries, a lot of U.K. companies have the EU embedded in them with either parts or full imports like Percy Pigs....which is where the issue lies. So, far from being a misinterpretation it’s the opposite....it’s the perfect interpretation and application of the rule. And the government signed up to this.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Johnson admitting lying about Brexit negotiations and f**ing over yet another industry sector has made the news ?

EU proposal for visa-free tours by musicians despite Brexit was rejected, No 10 admits

No 10 has admitted an EU proposal to allow visa-free tours by musicians was rejected, apparently because of a belief it clashed with ending free movement. After days of arguing Brussels threw out a deal, the government has acknowledged it did turn down a plan, as The Independent revealed – but has refused to explain the reasons for doing so.

Music organisations had been repeatedly reassured that a Brexit deal would protect touring performers, as well as their support teams and equipment, in an industry worth £5.8bn a year to the UK economy.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-music-tours-visa-free-eu-b1786588.html

Must be a slow news day

 

[Is it PotG?]

Johnson admitting lying about Brexit negotiations and f**ing over yet another industry sector has made the news ?

EU proposal for visa-free tours by musicians despite Brexit was rejected, No 10 admits

No 10 has admitted an EU proposal to allow visa-free tours by musicians was rejected, apparently because of a belief it clashed with ending free movement. After days of arguing Brussels threw out a deal, the government has acknowledged it did turn down a plan, as The Independent revealed – but has refused to explain the reasons for doing so.

Music organisations had been repeatedly reassured that a Brexit deal would protect touring performers, as well as their support teams and equipment, in an industry worth £5.8bn a year to the UK economy.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-music-tours-visa-free-eu-b1786588.html

Must be a slow news day

Talking of slow, how are you today GAP?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Talking of slow, how are you today GAP?

So what made you decide to post that as POTG and not JCFG ?

I'm pretty sure I know, but it would be nice if you confirmed it

 

[beorhthelm]

I have just been reading the details about this. Rule of origin seems to be a very standard rule, which is applied to all, or most, non-EU countries to protect the single market. If it didn’t exist it would be very easy to abuse the single market. Unlike most non-EU countries, a lot of U.K. companies have the EU embedded in them with either parts or full imports like Percy Pigs....which is where the issue lies. So, far from being a misinterpretation it’s the opposite....it’s the perfect interpretation and application of the rule. And the government signed up to this.

rule of origin makes sense, obvious need to prevent non-EU goods sneaking in through under free trade . just thought EU would have made exception for goods from the EU. as it is, rules of origin for goods originating in EU will be stricter than if they originate in UK.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

Went to my grandmother's funeral today so was a rare drive out of Sussex.

It's a good job there's no traffic jams and accidents to deal with, as every single electronic sign on the M25 is related to post-Brexit EU Freight.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

My friend is a buyer for a major retail outlet, and Brexit has been a nightmare dealing with European suppliers as costs have been added to every transaction. Friction free trade is a myth. Whilst COVID remains quite rightly at the top of our priority list, the negative impacts of Brexit have snuck under the radar. This will be the big story for the second half of the year.

My Company exports to the EU - no tariffs on our goods and so far it has been friction free.

Can't comment on imports.

 

[jackanada]

I think what we're really seeing is the problems you get with producing a very complicated agreement (that would normally take several years to review, iron out and sign) being rushed through in a few months to meet an artificial politically-driven deadline. Who'd have thunk it?

Of course if Boris had supported Theresa Mays virtually identical deal we could have spent a couple of years working all this shit out before brexit actually happened.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Plenty of retailers simply not taking NI orders now as it’s too expensive.
I thought we were told this was all project fear?

Come now. This is just a teething problem. The arrangements will all be oven-ready, soon. Stop talking this great country down

 

[WATFORD zero]

My Company exports to the EU - no tariffs on our goods and so far it has been friction free.

Can't comment on imports.

Shouldn't be any problem with imports as the UK have adopted very little checking of regulations and rules on our borders, instead going for a 'light touch' approach. This will continue until Britain is capable of putting the procedures, systems and staff in place to do the proper checks. I believe that's currently planned to be introduced for mid 2021. It's the EU who have started working to some of the the rules and regulations from day 1 (although they have agreed not to introduce some of them until the end of march 2021).

I would imagine if what you export isn't heavily regulated by the EU, it shouldn't be any problem. Out of interest, what sort of exports are they (if you can say)