[Politics] Brexit

[Grombleton]

Oh the irony
Regards
DF

I'm not the one moaning. Now off you go old man, go get someone to un-bunch your panties.

 

[Klaas]

it has been thrown around by the usual suspects on youtube and even been spoken about on our current affairs programmes over here...ABC only but it would appear that , after checking on politfact , they have been given 600k US per year over the last 6 years... by the NHI national health institute to examine viruses in bats......i guess they are never going to admit to manipulating viruses.Why would they pay them anything...?? they had a run away economy ffs... they sent a navy ship to Melbourne in january to take $ 200 million worth ppe , baby formula and tasmanian salmon back to china....its a mad old world brother...

the rest is all readily available on line....

Sorry, I don't know who the 'usual suspects' are. If the 'rest' is readily available online then throw a dog a bone and let me know what you're reading. I'm not exactly sure what it is you are saying. It's sounding very much like unproven conspiracy theories but happy to be proved wrong.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

so, no comment about illegal entry into the country ........................thought not
regards
DF

Did you honestly think Brexit is going to stop illegal immigrants and refugees?
Of course it won’t, ever.

 

[A1X]

Did you honestly think Brexit is going to stop illegal immigrants and refugees?
Of course it won’t, ever.

By definition if they're illegally entering the country then it has nothing to do with the EU anyway as thanks to Freedom of Movement people can legally enter the UK under an EU passport as they please (except in extremely specific circumstances). If anything Brexit will massively increase illegal immigration by closing off legal entry routes.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

By definition if they're illegally entering the country then it has nothing to do with the EU anyway as thanks to Freedom of Movement people can legally enter the UK under an EU passport as they please (except in extremely specific circumstances). If anything Brexit will massively increase illegal immigration by closing off legal entry routes.

Errr ... thanks to freedom of movement a person can travel all the way across the EU, with very few if any checks from most of its external borders arrive in a camp in France or elsewhere, then try to illegally gain entrance to the UK. (eg there were 30,000 attempts to enter the UK illegally from northern France in 2017)

On a completely unrelated but far more interesting topic, I wonder if any of the Europhile Brexit thread regulars would like to critique the EU's response to the pandemic thus far and the longer-term likely implications/fall out. A few entirely random links to get the discussion going ...

https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-europe-failed-the-test/

https://www.ft.com/content/d93008c5-2b3c-4b2e-9499-5eabaaa959db

https://www.economist.com/europe/20...rt-takes-issue-with-the-european-central-bank

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/pol...nd-must-be-paid-back-says-taoiseach-1.4246503

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-italy-unity-failure-debt-germany-netherlands

 

[WATFORD zero]

Errr ... thanks to freedom of movement a person can travel all the way across the EU, with very few if any checks from most of its external borders arrive in a camp in France or elsewhere, then try to illegally gain entrance to the UK. (eg there were 30,000 attempts to enter the UK illegally from northern France in 2017)

On a completely unrelated but far more interesting topic, I wonder if any of the Europhile Brexit thread regulars would like to critique the EU's response to the pandemic thus far and the longer-term likely implications/fall out. A few entirely random links to get the discussion going ...

https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-europe-failed-the-test/

https://www.ft.com/content/d93008c5-2b3c-4b2e-9499-5eabaaa959db

https://www.economist.com/europe/20...rt-takes-issue-with-the-european-central-bank

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/pol...nd-must-be-paid-back-says-taoiseach-1.4246503

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-italy-unity-failure-debt-germany-netherlands

I would do, but I'd be more interested in getting a discussion going about how your hero Johnson's rather ironically named Conservative and Unionist Party, have done more towards achieving a United Ireland in 9 months than Irish republicans have managed in the last 300+ years

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I would do, but I'd be more interested in getting a discussion going about how your hero Johnson's rather ironically named Conservative and Unionist Party, have done more towards achieving a United Ireland in 9 months than Irish republicans have managed in the last 300+ years

No takers? Imagine my surprise ..

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...majority-against-united-ireland-idUKKBN20C0WF

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

No takers? Imagine my surprise ..

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...majority-against-united-ireland-idUKKBN20C0WF

I agree with you about the EU and Covid*. The EU has been absolutely shocking on Covid. If this had been an invasion of Cybermen, under the EU's leadership, we'd all be wearing silver boots and shiney helmets by now.

*Who would ever have thunk it?

(Still don't want to leave the EU though )

 

[portslade seagull]

I agree with you about the EU and Covid*. The EU has been absolutely shocking on Covid. If this had been an invasion of Cybermen, under the EU's leadership, we'd all be wearing silver boots and shiney helmets by now.

*Who would ever have thunk it?

(Still don't want to leave the EU though )

Maybe we could mug them for their shiny helmets to protect us

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Did you honestly think Brexit is going to stop illegal immigrants and refugees?
Of course it won’t, ever.

I never said that , they're not refugees they're illegal migrants
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

By definition if they're illegally entering the country then it has nothing to do with the EU anyway as thanks to Freedom of Movement people can legally enter the UK under an EU passport as they please (except in extremely specific circumstances). If anything Brexit will massively increase illegal immigration by closing off legal entry routes.

Of course not , massing on the north french coast is nothing to do with the EU
Regards
DF

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I never said that , they're not refugees they're illegal migrants
Regards
DF

The government calls them asylum seekers. 63% of Iranians are granted asylum, but 19% of Albanians aren’t.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50813246

 

[sydney]

Sorry, I don't know who the 'usual suspects' are. If the 'rest' is readily available online then throw a dog a bone and let me know what you're reading. I'm not exactly sure what it is you are saying. It's sounding very much like unproven conspiracy theories but happy to be proved wrong.

Most of them are American you tubers......have a look for event 201 , plandemic..... i will look for more and get back to you....there's plenty there , in hind sight most of it may well be bollox......i suppose it depends on your point of view and previous dispositions , a good friend of mines sister and her husband have worked for the gates foundation for 12 years now based in seattle.........i have played golf with the husband numerous times , it's amazing what slips out when people let their guard down......most of it is common knowledge now re activities in india and bangladesh......philanthropist my arse.

 

[BadFish]

I never said that , they're not refugees they're illegal migrants
Regards
DF

How the hell do you know? They are not even in the UK yet, so how have you managed to process their claims?

Sound like you have made an assumption to suit your narrative.

 

[cunning fergus]

Errr ... thanks to freedom of movement a person can travel all the way across the EU, with very few if any checks from most of its external borders arrive in a camp in France or elsewhere, then try to illegally gain entrance to the UK. (eg there were 30,000 attempts to enter the UK illegally from northern France in 2017)

On a completely unrelated but far more interesting topic, I wonder if any of the Europhile Brexit thread regulars would like to critique the EU's response to the pandemic thus far and the longer-term likely implications/fall out. A few entirely random links to get the discussion going ...

https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-europe-failed-the-test/

https://www.ft.com/content/d93008c5-2b3c-4b2e-9499-5eabaaa959db

https://www.economist.com/europe/20...rt-takes-issue-with-the-european-central-bank

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/pol...nd-must-be-paid-back-says-taoiseach-1.4246503

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-italy-unity-failure-debt-germany-netherlands

Re freedom of movement you should note that due to the problems caused in Holland by Albanian criminals they have submitted a request to the EU back in 2019 to suspend visa free travel for Albanian nationals.

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/ne...vel-for-albanians-on-the-netherlands-request/

Plenty of questions come to mind on this regarding Schengen, national sovereignty etc, but of course those who want to buy the world a coke will no doubt continue to put their heads in the sand.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Re freedom of movement you should note that due to the problems caused in Holland by Albanian criminals they have submitted a request to the EU back in 2019 to suspend visa free travel for Albanian nationals.

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/ne...vel-for-albanians-on-the-netherlands-request/

Plenty of questions come to mind on this regarding Schengen, national sovereignty etc, but of course those who want to buy the world a coke will no doubt continue to put their heads in the sand.

That'll be the same Schengen that Britain was never part of ?

Maybe you are simply speaking on behalf of the Dutch this time

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

How the hell do you know? They are not even in the UK yet, so how have you managed to process their claims?

Sound like you have made an assumption to suit your narrative.

A bit like your reply then, hopefully anyone making the crossing in the near future will be sent straight back , you know it makes sense , how can anyone be agreeing with illegal entry into your home country let alone encouraging it like some of the right ons
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

The government calls them asylum seekers. 63% of Iranians are granted asylum, but 19% of Albanians aren’t.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50813246

Asylum seeker's is that why they do a runner when they 'arrive' and who exactly are the 'experts '
Regards
DF

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Asylum seeker's is that why they do a runner when they 'arrive' and who exactly are the 'experts '
Regards
DF

The Border Force personnel you accuse of bringing them to shore, and the Home Office who decide if they get sent back.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

The Border Force personnel you accuse of bringing them to shore, and the Home Office who decide if they get sent back.

I haven't accused the border force of anything?
Also they're being held in detention centres
While awaiting the experts decision ,who's funding all of this
It's about time this sorry state of affairs was dealt with once and for all, turn up in a boat in UK waters or on a beach in the UK and you're going straight back no ifs and buts ,maybe they might get the message NOT WANTED IN THE UK
regards
DF