[Politics] Brexit

[WATFORD zero]

Well it will be without the undemocratic snowflakes stopping it at every juncture. You must be gutted. Are you moving out ?

I agree that now those undemocratic snowflakes Johnson, JRM, Sajid Javid, Matt Hancock etc have stopped voting against it, it should be easier.

Yes I am gutted, and I'm sure you must be overjoyed now that you have won. But you seem to have ignored the question you quoted about when you think this will all happen ? Although I'm guessing that if you don't understand whether 'no deal' is on or off the table, you won't have much of an idea about when it will all happen. And to be fair to you, none of the winners on here seem to be have any idea when they will find out what they have won

And I'm not sure I understand why I would be moving out, I want to be around when Johnson explains how his new border in the Irish sea is going to work without any additional paperwork in Northern Ireland

 

[daveinplzen]

OK. I'll bite:

1. We no longer are subject to all the laws and mandates of the EU Council, now and in the future (EU Army, the Euro etc..)

2. We have more autonomy over our own laws than we currently do.

3. We have the ability and right to set up trade deals with whoever we want.

4. We stop the 'open door' policy for non Brits coming in and allowing employers to use them on min wage that stops others from working on the same job but with a higher (livable) wage. Also stops them not working and living off state benefits.

That'll do as a short synopsis. So I do have a clue. Along with the millions of others.

And to stop the inevitable insults on the various points above, I love Europe (the continent). I lived in Copenhagen for 5 years a long time ago. My dad was not born in the UK but came in his 20s to find work, my wife was not born in the UK and is non white, our daughter is obviously not pure Anglo Saxon when you look at her. I could go on but I can't be arsed as I know you will never understand and listen to anything I say.

Cue insults and reasons why I'm wrong.. (which still won't change my mind)

The UK has a veto on EU military policy so couldn’t be forced to participate in an EU army.

It is not legally possible for the EU to force the UK to join the euro if it remains in the EU

The Court of Justice does not, however, have any power to strike down national law; this is a task for the national courts. The national courts will, however, seek to resolve the conflict through interpretation. But UK courts are required not to enforce UK laws to the extent that they are incompatible with EU obligations.

Separate deals, as one nation, is not going to be any more beneficial as with the strongest trading bloc on the planet... we are a small nation and wont have the same clout.

The open door policy, is mainly stopping migrant workers to come and do low skill, and low pay jobs that British people would not consider, as they would be worse off than being on benefits

Think you, and many others were conned mate.. its understandable, as a lot of bs was shoved down our throats. Some accepted the bs, some looked into to it to see if it was indeed true.
Now we have another 5 years of a party who has doubled the national debt in 8 years, raised child poverty to alarming levels, cut back on essential services, and have lied, consistantly over just about every major issue. I think its sad. Im listening to what you have said, but you are ignoring actual facts. I know I wont change your mind, its not my job.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I doubt if you will be proved wrong tbh
Ask a leaver what they want, and what they expect. They have no fecking clue.

An interview in The Times this morning with a West Bromwich voter caught my eye. He explained that "I used to be Labour and a Baggie but now I'm a Brexiteer".

I got to wondering what actually constitutes being a Brexiteer once the deed is done and the election recedes into memory. I can understand what being Labour might involve. There would be meetings and council elections and government policies to cheer or boo. And being a Baggie must be quite hands on - we all know what supporting an Albion involves.

But being a Brexiteer? What happens there? Do you get nice warm feelings about rules and regulations introduced by our very own Parliament? Does applying for a visa do it for you? Or perhaps you're thrilled to get a bit of duty free booze again? Blue passports perhaps? Fascinating new rules for signing European players? Pet travel restrictions? Immigrants from alternative places? I genuinely don't know. Advice from a Brexiteer appreciated. What, apart from a vague but frankly intangible theory that we have 'taken back control' will make your life different this time next year?

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

The UK has a veto on EU military policy so couldn’t be forced to participate in an EU army.

It is not legally possible for the EU to force the UK to join the euro if it remains in the EU

The Court of Justice does not, however, have any power to strike down national law; this is a task for the national courts. The national courts will, however, seek to resolve the conflict through interpretation. But UK courts are required not to enforce UK laws to the extent that they are incompatible with EU obligations.

Separate deals, as one nation, is not going to be any more beneficial as with the strongest trading bloc on the planet... we are a small nation and wont have the same clout.

The open door policy, is mainly stopping migrant workers to come and do low skill, and low pay jobs that British people would not consider, as they would be worse off than being on benefits

Think you, and many others were conned mate.. its understandable, as a lot of bs was shoved down our throats. Some accepted the bs, some looked into to it to see if it was indeed true.
Now we have another 5 years of a party who has doubled the national debt in 8 years, raised child poverty to alarming levels, cut back on essential services, and have lied, consistantly over just about every major issue. I think its sad. Im listening to what you have said, but you are ignoring actual facts. I know I wont change your mind, its not my job.

So basically you know best.

 

[daveinplzen]

So basically you know best.

No, but, im pointing out facts rather than lies. You prefer to believe lies?
Its a fact we cannot be forced to join a Euro Army, its a fact we cannot be forced to join the Euro..

Thats not a matter of knowing better, its more understanding what is a fact, and what is a lie.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

An interview in The Times this morning with a West Bromwich voter caught my eye. He explained that "I used to be Labour and a Baggie but now I'm a Brexiteer".

I got to wondering what actually constitutes being a Brexiteer once the deed is done and the election recedes into memory. I can understand what being Labour might involve. There would be meetings and council elections and government policies to cheer or boo. And being a Baggie must be quite hands on - we all know what supporting an Albion involves.

But being a Brexiteer? What happens there? Do you get nice warm feelings about rules and regulations introduced by our very own Parliament? Does applying for a visa do it for you? Or perhaps you're thrilled to get a bit of duty free booze again? Blue passports perhaps? Fascinating new rules for signing European players? Pet travel restrictions? Immigrants from alternative places? I genuinely don't know. Advice from a Brexiteer appreciated. What, apart from a vague but frankly intangible theory that we have 'taken back control' will make your life different this time next year?

Sure, I am not going to put words in his mouth so I will tell you from my point of view. Being a Brexiteer to me means supporting a party that facilitates leaving the EU. I am bang on trend it seems as I am left of Centre but voted Tory in the election. This was also in part a protest vote against Corbyn and the rest of the London gang. Once I can trust that we have left the EU and provided the Labour Party have a leadership I can get behind then normal service will be resumed. Some big ifs there though and the upcoming leadership election is crucial. Needs to be a Northern candidate who lacks contempt for the working classes. That is going to be tough to find in the upper echelons of Labour.

 

[portslade seagull]

I agree that now those undemocratic snowflakes Johnson, JRM, Sajid Javid, Matt Hancock etc have stopped voting against it, it should be easier.

Yes I am gutted, and I'm sure you must be overjoyed now that you have won. But you seem to have ignored the question you quoted about when you think this will all happen ? Although I'm guessing that if you don't understand whether 'no deal' is on or off the table, you won't have much of an idea about when it will all happen. And to be fair to you, none of the winners on here seem to be have any idea when they will find out what they have won

And I'm not sure I understand why I would be moving out, I want to be around when Johnson explains how his new border in the Irish sea is going to work without any additional paperwork in Northern Ireland

Gutted then same old argument. Leave won again and you still can't accept it.

 

[daveinplzen]

Gutted then same old argument. Leave won again and you still can't accept it.

Was about winning and not the country yeah? Thats how it sounds.

 

[GT49er]

Sure, I am not going to put words in his mouth so I will tell you from my point of view. Being a Brexiteer to me means supporting a party that facilitates leaving the EU. I am bang on trend it seems as I am left of Centre but voted Tory in the election. This was also in part a protest vote against Corbyn and the rest of the London gang. Once I can trust that we have left the EU and provided the Labour Party have a leadership I can get behind then normal service will be resumed. Some big ifs there though and the upcoming leadership election is crucial. Needs to be a Northern candidate who lacks contempt for the working classes. That is going to be tough to find in the upper echelons of Labour.

Snap! ........ and well said.

 

[Two Professors]

Well now that you have won, when do you think we will stop paying the EU and abiding by their rules and regulations. Want to have a guess as to when you will find out what you have won ?

It should be easy now, shouldn't it ?

None of that is up to me,it is up to Dom,Boris,and the team and if Merkel wants to play or not.Hopefully we will be out of the EU by Easter with a provisional deal in place for future trade relations.Stormont back up and running around the same time as both the Loyalist and Sinn Fein/IRA took a bit of a kicking.Several major trade deals sorted by the Autumn,including a mahoosive joint trade deal with Anzac/South Korea/China,USA following at Christmas.Make England Great Again sounds like a great slogan,perhaps on a blue cap (to match the passports).




And labour to elect Red Elmo as their new leader some time in 2024.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

No, but, im pointing out facts rather than lies. You prefer to believe lies?
Its a fact we cannot be forced to join a Euro Army, its a fact we cannot be forced to join the Euro..

Thats not a matter of knowing better, its more understanding what is a fact, and what is a lie.

If you look at my previous posts you'll see I have not stated at all my position. Leaving Europe will have a major impact on my company and lord knows where we will end up. You though like many others state that I prefer to believe lies. That in itself is a lie as you don't know. I'm well aware of how Europe impacts on us. I however could not vote for anyone so spoilt my paper.

 

[Granny on the wing]

I agree that now those undemocratic snowflakes Johnson, JRM, Sajid Javid, Matt Hancock etc have stopped voting against it, it should be easier.

Yes I am gutted, and I'm sure you must be overjoyed now that you have won. But you seem to have ignored the question you quoted about when you think this will all happen ? Although I'm guessing that if you don't understand whether 'no deal' is on or off the table, you won't have much of an idea about when it will all happen. And to be fair to you, none of the winners on here seem to be have any idea when they will find out what they have won

And I'm not sure I understand why I would be moving out, I want to be around when Johnson explains how his new border in the Irish sea is going to work without any additional paperwork in Northern Ireland

If you are gutted you are obviously not Tory voter but having read a lot of your posts you have argued for the Remain side but kept neutral on your favorite Party ,does that mean you were Labour or Lib Dems or you do not want to say ?

 

[Two Professors]

It's not crap. It's a fairly straightforward statement of a perfectly valid opinion.

I was going to say "statement of fact", but one has to trust that Boris will actually get all the trade deal ducks in a line in his impossibly short target timescale.

It's a statement of fact that I think his opinion is crap and not in the slightest perfectly valid.Please note I did not use the thumbs down option!

 

[kemptown kid]

OK. I'll bite:

1. We no longer are subject to all the laws and mandates of the EU Council, now and in the future (EU Army, the Euro etc..)

2. We have more autonomy over our own laws than we currently do.

3. We have the ability and right to set up trade deals with whoever we want.

4. We stop the 'open door' policy for non Brits coming in and allowing employers to use them on min wage that stops others from working on the same job but with a higher (livable) wage. Also stops them not working and living off state benefits.

That'll do as a short synopsis. So I do have a clue. Along with the millions of others.

And to stop the inevitable insults on the various points above, I love Europe (the continent). I lived in Copenhagen for 5 years a long time ago. My dad was not born in the UK but came in his 20s to find work, my wife was not born in the UK and is non white, our daughter is obviously not pure Anglo Saxon when you look at her. I could go on but I can't be arsed as I know you will never understand and listen to anything I say.

Cue insults and reasons why I'm wrong.. (which still won't change my mind)

No insults, but a couple of genuine questions about the benefits of Brexit you are looking forward to.

Re: 1 and 2 can you mention a few laws, mandates and regulations you are looking forward to changing over the next few years?
Re: 3 are there any goods and services you are looking forward to importing or exporting which we are currently unable to import or export?
Re: 4 do you have any regrets about abandoning our rights of free movement?

 

[Murray 17]

Well it will be without the undemocratic snowflakes stopping it at every juncture. You must be gutted. Are you moving out ?

Wouldn't you just love to bump into:

Gina Miller, Dominic Grieve, John Burcow, John Major, Anna Soubry, Phillip Hammond, Tony Blair, Jo Swinson... the list goes on.

Would be like the time I bumped into Norman Baker, just after we moved into the Amex!

Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Oh shut up you horrible old has been. You won, get over it.

Deal with it then
Regards
DF

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Sure, I am not going to put words in his mouth so I will tell you from my point of view. Being a Brexiteer to me means supporting a party that facilitates leaving the EU. I am bang on trend it seems as I am left of Centre but voted Tory in the election. This was also in part a protest vote against Corbyn and the rest of the London gang. Once I can trust that we have left the EU and provided the Labour Party have a leadership I can get behind then normal service will be resumed. Some big ifs there though and the upcoming leadership election is crucial. Needs to be a Northern candidate who lacks contempt for the working classes. That is going to be tough to find in the upper echelons of Labour.

Thanks. The point behind my question was that I couldn't see how 'being a Brexiteer' was a permanent condition, a state of mind that would bind a man to Boris Johnson and the Conservatives once the current kerfuffle is over. Your reply confirms that.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

So, what do you expect from the future following Brexit? Any idea?

Less of your types on here
Regards
DF

 

[daveinplzen]

If you look at my previous posts you'll see I have not stated at all my position. Leaving Europe will have a major impact on my company and lord knows where we will end up. You though like many others state that I prefer to believe lies. That in itself is a lie as you don't know. I'm well aware of how Europe impacts on us. I however could not vote for anyone so spoilt my paper.

The only reason I answered you, was because you questioned whether I know better... the fact is, we would not have been forced to join an EU Army, or the Euro... its a fact... not an opinion.

 

[daveinplzen]

Less of your types on here
Regards
DF

Yes, youre right. I wont be on NSC forum. A football forum for the club ive supported since moving to Brighton in the early 60s. Again, you make a stupid statement. Youre very good at that.