[Politics] Brexit

[nicko31]

It is the obvious solution.

The Unionists won't just lie down and accept that, they love the Union far more than the average English person and then there's Scotland, they wouldn't mind a bit of customs union too

All speculation we will see..

 

[The Clamp]

Let's be fair, I can only think of one group that you haven't repeatedly blamed for the outcome of the result of the referendum

Zing! Excellent post, Sir. Excellent post.

 

[Lever]

I sure Johnson does want a deal, this would make him very popular; he knows this.

Is a deal that is acceptable with both the EU and the ERG/the DUP possible though?

I can't help but think that this evenings optimism, primarily from Varadkar, is only political.

We shall see!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nP35Vgz7z8

Watch this and I think you will see the game Johnston is playing; he doesn't want a deal but it will suit his purpose to get one.... for the time being.

 

[pb21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nP35Vgz7z8

Watch this and I think you will see the game Johnston is playing; he doesn't want a deal but it will suit his purpose to get one.... for the time being.

This seems feasible to me.

Given the short time the EU should say a short technical extension is therfore required to ensure time for legislation to pass only. This would be reasonable. If this was not agreed it would be clear what the plan was.

 

[nicko31]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nP35Vgz7z8

Watch this and I think you will see the game Johnston is playing; he doesn't want a deal but it will suit his purpose to get one.... for the time being.

Would MP's be that stupid to vote for a deal in the knowledge there isn't enough time to get the legislation through before 31/10 and then force no deal. Really??

Would there be the votes anyway?

 

[pb21]

Would MP's be that stupid to vote for a deal in the knowledge there isn't enough time to get the legislation through before 31/10 and then force no deal. Really??

Would there be the votes anyway?

I think the premise is that there would technically be just enough time but Johnson would deliberately not use it.

Edit: Would the DUP publicly support this even if they privately knew no deal would result?

 

[beorhthelm]

I think the premise is that there would technically be just enough time but Johnson would deliberately not use it.

think the legislation needed is already drafted some may already be enacted in the EU Withdrawal bill, we were meant to leave in March remember?
this is barking up the "wants a no deal" tree, if we move on from that there is no need for such convoluted games.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Watch this and I think you will see the game Johnston is playing; he doesn't want a deal but it will suit his purpose to get one.... for the time being.

Robert Peston is of a similar mindset - https://www.itv.com/news/2019-10-10/robert-peston-has-dublin-rescued-boris-johnson/

 

[Eeyore]

Would MP's be that stupid to vote for a deal in the knowledge there isn't enough time to get the legislation through before 31/10 and then force no deal. Really??

Would there be the votes anyway?

Yes. It didn't make sense.

 

[The Clamp]

Same old Brexiter thickos in the audience of QT. Making the same tired old "points";
"I knew what I was voting for"
"democracy needs enacating"
"Let's just get it done"

One lady who I would describe as "council estate attractive" was waffling on about a high horse and whenever Theo said we don't know what's going to happen retorted with the illogical "I knew what I was voting for but we don't know what will happen with Brexit". Okay, Love ;-)Typical leave voter logic!

All points shot down by Theo Paphitos, a leave voter who has since changed his mind because he realises it's unimplementable. Clever guy.

Hartley-Brewer making the usual fool of herself. What a mess.

 

[Blackadder]

Same old Brexiter thickos in the audience of QT. Making the same tired old "points";
"I knew what I was voting for"
"democracy needs enacating"
"Let's just get it done"

One lady who I would describe as "council estate attractive" was waffling on about a high horse and whenever Theo said we don't know what's going to happen retorted with the illogical "I knew what I was voting for but we don't know what will happen with Brexit". Okay, Love ;-)Typical leave voter logic!

All points shot down by Theo Paphitos, a leave voter who has since changed his mind because he realises it's unimplementable. Clever guy.

Hartley-Brewer making the usual fool of herself. What a mess.

Just watched it again to ensure I wasn't mistaken.. She said "I know what I voted for, 17.4 Million" Theo replied "Do you know what you voted for?. She came back with "Remainers will stick by figures"

God help us.

 

[The Clamp]

Just watched it again to ensure I wasn't mistaken.. She said "I know what I voted for, 17.4 Million" Theo replied "Do you know what you voted for?. She came back with "Remainers will stick by figures"

God help us.

It was only a matter of time before these dumb ******** were given a vote that could actually ruin the country. All we can do now is pray that Parliament and British Law are robust enough to halt the rise of the idiots.

 

[Hugo Rune]

It was only a matter of time before these dumb ******** were given a vote that could actually ruin the country.

I didn’t understand her logic at all. She was arguing that she knew exactly what she was voting for whilst at the same time, declaring that no one can know what will happen with Brexit. There are a lot of well educated and smart people who voted leave but I think they’re overwhelmingly out numbered by the weakest in our society, intellectually wise.

Sadly, these people also have the philosophy of ‘it’s never my fault’. So if we leave and the economy crashes and burns and they lose they’re jobs etc, the devastation of the No Deal Brexit will be the fault of the remainers and the EU. They will genuinely believe that to; Cummings would have had them twice!

 

[Klaas]

Could we be looking at another Bushy account, perhaps?

No, not his style at all. He can not help himself, way more angry.

 

[The Clamp]

I didn’t understand her logic at all. She was arguing that she knew exactly what she was voting for whilst at the same time, declaring that no one can know what will happen with Brexit. There are a lot of well educated and smart people who voted leave but I think they’re overwhelming out numbered by the weakest in our society, intellectually wise.

Sadly, these people also have the philosophy of ‘it’s never my fault’. So if we leave and the economy crashes and burns and they lose they’re jobs etc, the devastation of the No Deal Brexit will be the fault of the remainers and the EU. They will genuinely believe that, Cummings would have had them twice!

She was a shambles. Sadly indicative of certain type of leave voter. A type we have too many of unfortunately.

 

[Hugo Rune]

She was a shambles. Sadly indicative of certain type of leave voter. A type we have too many of unfortunately.

And that ‘type’ of voter will be the hardest hit by a no deal Brexit.

Lot’s of Tory right wingers wanted Brexit for a particular reason. Priti Patel has announced that a foreigner wanting a job in this country would need to command a salary of £35k+ to work here. As all our foreign cleaners, bin men, fruit pickers, fast food workers etc leave, the Tories will replace them with people currently unemployed or on disabled benefit. They’ll have to take those jobs or risk being on the street as their benefits are taken away. That is the reality of a No Deal Tory Brexit.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Same old Brexiter thickos in the audience of QT. Making the same tired old "points";
"I knew what I was voting for"
"democracy needs enacating"
"Let's just get it done"

One lady who I would describe as "council estate attractive" was waffling on about a high horse and whenever Theo said we don't know what's going to happen retorted with the illogical "I knew what I was voting for but we don't know what will happen with Brexit". Okay, Love ;-)Typical leave voter logic!

All points shot down by Theo Paphitos, a leave voter who has since changed his mind because he realises it's unimplementable. Clever guy.

Hartley-Brewer making the usual fool of herself. What a mess.

I watched it last night, had my head in my hands when that stupid cow spoke up.
The ridiculous look on her face when she was talking was the giveaway, never going to listen, fingers in ears and totally wrong, she didn't have a clue what she voted for.
But she looked different to most of the other leaver types.
Somehow cleaner, possibly educated, sober, possibly drug free and was not adorned in Primark.
Last night showed the leavers up for what they are, clueless, thick, ignorant idiots.

 

[nicko31]

It was only a matter of time before these dumb ******** were given a vote that could actually ruin the country. All we can do now is pray that Parliament and British Law are robust enough to halt the rise of the idiots.

They are the victims of Murdoch, Dacre and the owners of the Ritz. Some days, I kind of can't help myself, but some days I do actually feel sorry for these people.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

And that ‘type’ of voter will be the hardest hit by a no deal Brexit.

Lot’s of Tory right wingers wanted Brexit for a particular reason. Priti Patel has announced that a foreigner wanting a job in this country would need to command a salary of £35k+ to work here. As all our foreign cleaners, bin men, fruit pickers, fast food workers etc leave, the Tories will replace them with people currently unemployed or on disabled benefit. They’ll have to take those jobs or risk being on the street as their benefits are taken away. That is the reality of a No Deal Tory Brexit.

The £35K minimum rules out a lot of skilled jobs, too. Many of them in the NHS.

 

[Hugo Rune]

The £35K minimum rules out a lot of skilled jobs, too. Many of them in the NHS.

Indeed, but who are the people who are going to fill those roles? Probably best to leave that issue to a privatised NHS in the opinion of some in the government?