[Politics] Brexit

[kemptown kid]

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Nice little challenge for our Brexit-supporting members, can they write and tell the Brexit supporting Chancellor what the "benefits" of Brexit will be?

Yes please and let the rest of us know what changes we can look forward to. In recent times, Brexit supporters seem strangely silent on these lines of argument, favouring phoney victim rants about the will of the people, liberal elites, surrender treaty etc....

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I dont think that is true as I see this as power struggle to bring the government down and whatever is suggested the opposition will refuse to vote for it..

Labour would like nothing better than for the Tories to mess up Brexit, as it would keep them out of power for years.
Corbyn believes in Brexit but his own version.

 

[BensGrandad]

I think that in the eyes of the majority just leaving by 31st October would be sufficient to ensure a Tory GE win with a large majority.

 

[beorhthelm]

i see the theory that Johnson has only to do enough to blame everyone else for extension has reached the Guardian.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Mate democracy didn't just die in June 2016, it continues (albeit with some hindrance from the Tory right), almost 4 years ago now, time moves on pal...

But the decision hasn't changed, you need to move on
Regards
DF

 

[nicko31]

Labour would like nothing better than for the Tories to mess up Brexit, as it would keep them out of power for years.
Corbyn believes in Brexit but his own version.

They want to Tories to completely own their version of Brexit as they know its a disaster

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

You really are an utter embarrassment to the Leavers.

No he's not ,are you ready for Brexit ?
Regards
DF

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

It will be your decision to leave or remain ,no second referendum no pressure groups ,give it a rest and accept the referendum result, people like you just love dragging your feet
Regards
DF

Why should we just 'accept' a result on a vote that was based in lies and pure fantasy?! You'll be regretting your decision when things go tits up. By the way, we will not be leaving on 31st of October, or ever. Remember, it is now against the law to leave without a deal and that deal looks highly unlikely.

I've read so many of your ramblings and find them to be inline with most of the leave rhetoric. All crap and no substance. Particularly when the so called benefits of leaving are never written or stated within your responses because it is all complete fantasy, as I and many others have said.

Tell me again, what are the true benefits, based on facts, on leaving the EU?

 

[clapham_gull]

So we finally have the new deal proposal, "leaked" (cough cough) to the Telegraph tonight.

- A regulatory border between the UK and Northern Ireland in the Irish Sea for four years.

- Customs checks between the North and the Republic of Ireland, away from the border.

- Northern Ireland leaves the Customs Union ( with UK ) but remains temporarily aligned to single market rules for agriculture and industrial goods.

- Northern Irish parties will get a say on whether they want to continue alignment on EU single market or converge with the UK mainland after four years.

So it's basically a NI only 4 year NOWSTOP.

 

[Simster]

i see the theory that Johnson has only to do enough to blame everyone else for extension has reached the Guardian.

And most sane people.

Why else has he proposed his crap "custom checks within 5-10 miles of the border" in Ireland? It is obvious nobody was going to take it seriously because it doesn't solve the problem. But now he'll just lie to everyone again that he tried his best.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Boris, on BBC, utterly shameless. The knee touching is 'not true' but he refuses to call the accuser a liar and just....smiles like Mona Lisa. The man is capable of anything (as long as it is lying).

 

[Mental Lental]

So we finally have the new deal proposal, "leaked" (cough cough) to the Telegraph tonight.

- A regulatory border between the UK and Northern Ireland in the Irish Sea for four years.

- Customs checks between the North and the Republic of Ireland, away from the border.

- Northern Ireland leaves the Customs Union ( with UK ) but remains temporarily aligned to single market rules for agriculture and industrial goods.

- Northern Irish parties will get a say on whether they want to continue alignment on EU single market or converge with the UK mainland after four years.

So it's basically a NI only 4 year NOWSTOP.

The only question is HOW LONG are the EU going to consider this nonsense before giving their "nope" counter proposal.

 

[clapham_gull]

DUP on board with new plans apparently, that probably takes most of the ERG with them. The "rebels" will agree and enough Labour MPs to take it over the line.

All down to the EU to accept.

 

[clapham_gull]

The only question is HOW LONG are the EU going to consider this nonsense before giving their "nope" counter proposal.

Well, that won't be a good look.

In my simple view, it's watered down time limited "backstop" that kicks in now.

 

[Dick Head]

Why should we just 'accept' a result on a vote that was based in lies and pure fantasy?! You'll be regretting your decision when things go tits up. By the way, we will not be leaving on 31st of October, or ever. Remember, it is now against the law to leave without a deal and that deal looks highly unlikely.

I've read so many of your ramblings and find them to be inline with most of the leave rhetoric. All crap and no substance. Particularly when the so called benefits of leaving are never written or stated within your responses because it is all complete fantasy, as I and many others have said.

Tell me again, what are the true benefits, based on facts, on leaving the EU?

PPF will be alright. He'll be able to sell/barter his stockpile of homemade jam to impoverished Brexit survivors at boot sales, bazaars and jumble sales for the forseeable future. Jam today and jam tomorrow.

 

[Klaas]

Why should we just 'accept' a result on a vote that was based in lies and pure fantasy?! You'll be regretting your decision when things go tits up. By the way, we will not be leaving on 31st of October, or ever. Remember, it is now against the law to leave without a deal and that deal looks highly unlikely.

I've read so many of your ramblings and find them to be inline with most of the leave rhetoric. All crap and no substance. Particularly when the so called benefits of leaving are never written or stated within your responses because it is all complete fantasy, as I and many others have said.

Tell me again, what are the true benefits, based on facts, on leaving the EU?

Looks like your a stranger round these parts friend so just so you know, Pretty Pink Fairy's , or Das Reich ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_SS_Panzer_Division_Das_Reich ) as he prefers to be called, contribution to this thread is to repeat Leave means Leave.

Oh, and he shares videos from this YT channel ; https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpQ4LLxsVX7s0yiy8rfy7Cg If you don't want to click it contains a lot of videos of the KKK's David Duke talking about Jews (I'm guessing he isn't a fan).

So, in summary, you're wasting your valuable time asking him sensible questions.

 

[beorhthelm]

So we finally have the new deal proposal, "leaked" (cough cough) to the Telegraph tonight.

- A regulatory border between the UK and Northern Ireland in the Irish Sea for four years.

- Customs checks between the North and the Republic of Ireland, away from the border.

- Northern Ireland leaves the Customs Union ( with UK ) but remains temporarily aligned to single market rules for agriculture and industrial goods.

- Northern Irish parties will get a say on whether they want to continue alignment on EU single market or converge with the UK mainland after four years.

So it's basically a NI only 4 year NOWSTOP.

detail i know, but why would it come into effect now when there is continued regulatory alignment between UK and EU during transistion? methinks if the DUP are on board, the EU wouldnt object to their own plans, something close to this has been "agreed" already.

 

[Seaber]

DUP on board with new plans apparently, that probably takes most of the ERG with them. The "rebels" will agree and enough Labour MPs to take it over the line.

All down to the EU to accept.

I'm waiting to see the complete details, however I don't think this is something the EU can agree to.

They don't want a time limited backstop and it seems that the border issues haven't been resolved, just moved away from the geographical border (i.e. the solution put forward is a bit of a fudge and the issues are not fully resolved).

Even if the EU agree to these changes, will MPs vote for this deal in the Commons? Johnson says changes to the backstop aren't the only differences from May's Deal, but there is little indication so far of what changes have been made. The DUP and ERG may be brought onside, but the hardened Irish border may put others off.

Lots of journalists reporting this is a non-starter, that the EU are not happy with the UK's position, and I've seen the words 'bad faith' used. Still waiting for more clarity tomorrow though.

 

[nicko31]

DUP on board with new plans apparently, that probably takes most of the ERG with them. The "rebels" will agree and enough Labour MPs to take it over the line.

All down to the EU to accept.

No doubt he has the Irish Republic on board with this idea?

 

[clapham_gull]

No doubt he has the Irish Republic on board with this idea?

detail i know, but why would it come into effect now when there is continued regulatory alignment between UK and EU during transistion? methinks if the DUP are on board, the EU wouldnt object to their own plans, something close to this has been "agreed" already.

Yes I was confused. Does it happen now ? Or only if ?

Is it a nowstop, a nextstop or a backstop ?

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