[Politics] Brexit

[Herr Tubthumper]

...like I have done something wrong? Why do I need to explain myself and my opinion?

Fine. But if you keep spouting unsubstantiated bollocks which you are unwilling to defend I can only assume you are unable to defend it. I think this is a very fair assumption.

I’ve set you a little trap here as well.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I wonder??!!

Was your post ironic? They hardly come from the same standpoint within the EU.

No, it wasn't ironic. Yes, they have economic problems, and you are right in their standpoint because they joined the euro and we didn't, but they see the sense in the EU, especially from a peace point of view.

 

[cuthbert]

London , who's manufacturing industries have been largely shut down and their white , working class , condensed into the shittiest parts of the city whilst the suburbs have been gentrified and sold off to hoorah henrys and rich migrants and Arabs.... and Brighton that never really had any industry anyway .....so we/they have lost nothing.....New buses,trains , ferries , aircraft and cars all made on the continent ...huge percentage of food is imported and millions of tonnes of food is discarded because it doesn't meet EU standards.....size , shape ,colour, weight etc.....this is what has got the older voters voting leave ......as misguided as it may be.

Brighton had Allen West who up until the 1960s made top of the range electrical switchgear, during the war 4500 people were employed there, I admit many part-time. I worked in the development lab there for a very short period in 1968. Many installations still use very old Allen West gear, Brighton certainly had one industry to be very proud of.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

So why do Greek people I know, say they can't understand why we want to leave?

Eh ? What's that got to do with the discussion about France and Germany being the overly dominate powers in the EU ? Maybe your friends didn't have someone die due to lack of petrol in an ambulance or maybe your friends didn't lose their house or maybe your friends didn't have someone in hospital that they needed to bring clean bedding and food for ?

 

[ManOfSussex]

Eh ? What's that got to do with the discussion about France and Germany being the overly dominate powers in the EU ? Maybe your friends didn't have someone die due to lack of petrol in an ambulance or maybe your friends didn't lose their house or maybe your friends didn't have someone in hospital that they needed to bring clean bedding and food for ?

Maybe they're like Yanis Varoufakis and have genuine concern for other Greeks, rather than a leave voter's faux one from southern England, more reason than most to dislike The EU, but wanted The UK to stay in The EU despite what happened to them? Just a thought.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Eh ? What's that got to do with the discussion about France and Germany being the overly dominate powers in the EU ? Maybe your friends didn't have someone die due to lack of petrol in an ambulance or maybe your friends didn't lose their house or maybe your friends didn't have someone in hospital that they needed to bring clean bedding and food for ?

They are well aware of the economic difficulties in Greece having helped with foodbanks, but my daughter's friend stood as an MEP candidate in May, because they realise their economic difficulties are gradually being sorted out,instead of excessive public spending, increasing national debt and corruption that was going on previously.

 

[Pretty Plnk Fairy]

Typical leftys saying you cant have a have you’re cake and eat it Brexit.

Ive just been to lidl and bought a pack of Mr Kipling fondant fancies and it was buy one get
One free so you can have it and eat it to so take that you Rodney’s.

Regards
DR

 

[W.C.]

How does the subject of Brexit even come up in the first place. I was in Italy for 9 days, met lots of people, lots of family and not once did anyone mention Brexit, and thank god too. Honestly it doesn't even register. I know some remainers like to tell us it's a hot topic, but really it isn't.

SCENE: Somewhere in Italy
A group of Italians are mingling.
Bashldir enters stage left.
ITALIAN 1: Shit, here comes your nephew bashldir.
ITALIAN 2: ****, right, don't mention brexit ok?
ITALIAN 1: no****ingway
ITALIAN 2: bashldir! So good to see you! I see from your tweets British business is booming...

 

[LadySeagull]

Fine. But if you keep spouting unsubstantiated bollocks which you are unwilling to defend I can only assume you are unable to defend it. I think this is a very fair assumption.

I’ve set you a little trap here as well.

You reckon you've set me a 'little trap' but forgot to ask a question. Not sure what you are on about now.

 

[Bakero]

How does the subject of Brexit even come up in the first place. I was in Italy for 9 days, met lots of people, lots of family and not once did anyone mention Brexit, and thank god too. Honestly it doesn't even register. I know some remainers like to tell us it's a hot topic, but really it isn't.

Comes up a fair bit in Spain and in conversations I've had with people from all over the world in the UK. Just checked a few Spanish papers online and saw a Brexit story on each one. Farage's latest ramblings covered too.

 

[daveinplzen]

SCENE: Somewhere in Italy
A group of Italians are mingling.
Bashldir enters stage left.
ITALIAN 1: Shit, here comes your nephew bashldir.
ITALIAN 2: ****, right, don't mention brexit ok?
ITALIAN 1: no****ingway
ITALIAN 2: bashldir! So good to see you! I see from your tweets British business is booming...

If I meet anybody new here, one of the first things they ask me is.... what do you think about Brexit...maybe he isnt meeting anybody new :-D

 

[daveinplzen]

Comes up a fair bit in Spain and in conversations I've had with people from all over the world in the UK. Just checked a few Spanish papers online and saw a Brexit story on each one. Farage's latest ramblings covered too.

Its one of the first things new people I meet ask me.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Well it should be within your obviously somewhat limited capabilities to give us an example of these two countries overruling the other 25 then

You now have the choice of giving an example or trying to swerve or run away like your associates.

I wonder which it will be

Nobody has said that France and Germany 'overule' everyone else - it's your vivid imagination that has read that. Just for once, try reading what was actually posted. France and Germany hold the major influences in the union - go onto iPlayer and watch the three part series about the EU - the episode about Greece will highlight to even someone as blinkered as you the power those two countries have within the EU.

How strange WZ - you seem to have run off without answering. Much like the restuarant thread last week. Pot, kettle and black.

 

[ManOfSussex]

A cursory Google search shows the Corriere della Sera in Milan is reporting about Farage, that presumably nobody in Italy will read, register or be interested in because it's not a hot topic:

https://www.corriere.it/esteri/19_a...in-0ad5f154-bd0e-11e9-9a7d-1da7a91a90cf.shtml

There's also an opinion piece on Boris Johnson - https://www.corriere.it/economia/op...ra-a7947122-bcc9-11e9-9a7d-1da7a91a90cf.shtml

Some of the Irish papers waste their time by having dedicated Brexit sections that nobody will read, register or be interested in because it's not a hot topic.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/brexit
https://www.irishexaminer.com/maintopics/brexit-4106.html

 

[Ernest]

Typical leftys saying you cant have a have you’re cake and eat it Brexit.

Ive just been to lidl and bought a pack of Mr Kipling fondant fancies and it was buy one get
One free so you can have it and eat it to so take that you Rodney’s.

Regards
DR

Did they have any TARTS ? I love a nice TART at teatime

 

[Hampster Gull]

Its one of the first things new people I meet ask me.

Came up on holidays in Hawaii more often than not. Usually not in a great light

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

How does the subject of Brexit even come up in the first place. I was in Italy for 9 days, met lots of people, lots of family and not once did anyone mention Brexit, and thank god too. Honestly it doesn't even register. I know some remainers like to tell us it's a hot topic, but really it isn't.

They're trying to protect you from reality because they feel sorry for you. The whole world (except Donald Trump) thinks the population of these islands has taken leave of its senses!

 

[Lincoln Imp]

How does the subject of Brexit even come up in the first place. I was in Italy for 9 days, met lots of people, lots of family and not once did anyone mention Brexit, and thank god too. Honestly it doesn't even register. I know some remainers like to tell us it's a hot topic, but really it isn't.

Well I was in north Lincolnshire last weekend and no one mentioned it there either. They're still flying their front garden flags and have taken to calling the place Bomber County (should do wonders for the twinning with Dresden), but no one seems to talk about it. Scunthorpe tragedies and agricultural travails may have damped their ardour.

BTW, your post above isn't quite true. You mentioned it. Right after doing something in Italy you were on this thread, making some Brexit point or other. Can't imagine many people doing that. I wouldn't.

 

[WATFORD zero]

How strange WZ - you seem to have run off without answering. Much like the restuarant thread last week. Pot, kettle and black.

I see from my notifications that you have been trying to get my attention all afternoon, even though I haven't been on NSC since early last night apart from a minute on my phone this morning. I am sorry, but I've been out, have had things to do and have just logged on

So the post that you are referring to is

'More of the same' as in no idea what the future direction of the EU will take but certain it will be dominated by the Franco-German alliance prioritising the Eurozone and ever closer union over the interests of any second-tier members (see the UK). If remainers didn't understand this perhaps they shouldn't have voted. Quite a gamble ....

I've asked for examples of this Franco-German domination over the rest of the EU from [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION] [MENTION=18265]LadySeagull[/MENTION] [MENTION=20840]The Rivet[/MENTION] and [MENTION=17469]melias shoes[/MENTION]. On each occasion, I posted the question in an immediate answer to the post they had just made supporting this idea of a Franco-German domination over the other EU members and (AFAIK) they remained logged on for some period after the question was asked, didn't answer and then later logged out, and still haven't answered days later. (A little different to randomly posting during the day when I'm not online and then repeating the posts a couple of hours later because I hadn't replied.)

Anyway, since you want to answer so much on behalf of your associates (and they seem unable to), maybe you could give an example of the 'Franco-German Alliance' dominating the rest of the EU

 

[Baldseagull]

Question: Do you have the same development as in Sweden regarding who wants/doesnt want EU?

In Sweden the leftist voters voted against EU membership in the 90s, and for 10-15 years the left hated EU while the right embraced it. Sometime around 2008-2009, our primary anti-immigration party Sverigedemokraterna said "we hate EU", and about two days later all the leftist people swapped sides and became extremely pro-EU.

Is it the same in the UK or has it always been the right doesnt like it and the left loves it?

Since we adopted the social chapter, Maastricht Treaty, that we at first opted out of, the EU is more popular on the left, as it not just about big business anymore, and this is what the right don't like. But hard left sees it as a block to proper socialism.