[Politics] Brexit

[Klaas]

Nor do you!

what??

 

[The Clamp]

It’s my opinion that Farage is deeply racist. As a youth he presented as an outspoken racist. However, he also craves power. He’s not stupid and realised that being an obvious racist would not win mainstream votes and distanced himself from his past and any outspoken racists.
He reinvented himself as a man of the people, the bloke down the pub. Brexit is the perfect vehicle for this covert racist to ride into power on. The acceptable face of racism that racists can vote for and still claim to not be racist. He’s very clever and positioned himself perfectly.
As I have stated before. Once covert racists get people to vote for them it’s not long before they are accepting overt racism. History bears this out.
He’s a dangerous racist who cares not a jot for the people of the U.K.

 

[Chicken Run]

Again, if you support a party run by a racist what does that make you?

If India were playing Pakistan in cricket I’d support India, I’m not Indian.

 

[The Clamp]

If India were playing Pakistan in cricket I’d support India, I’m not Indian.

How silly. If you backed India you would be supporting and Indian cricket team. If you back Farage you are supporting a racist.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Given you've just called anyone who voted for the Brexit Party a racist I assume you'll be happy for the mods to remove your posts too ..... being your statement is a lie ?

People need time off NSC for this, sick and tired of people being called racists. MODS please do something about this.

 

[Lever]

I am not sure whether or not Farage is a racist and in a way the politics of personality simply plays into his hands.

He is certainly a racist facilitator, enabling bigoted and racist behaviour and 'normalising' hatred of our politicians.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Getting a little fed up with the media coverage of the results. Yes, of course Brexit Party did well (curses) but you have to look at their vote net of the loss (wipe-out) of the UKIP vote - it is largely a straightforward transfer, with a large slice of disaffected Tories thrown in.

 

[Seaber]

Currently 40.4% 2nd ref, 34.9 no deal, 9.1 Tory, 14.1 Labour.

Tories will now have to go hard Brexit under their new leader, Labour to push for a second referendum? Still won't be a parliamentary majority for either though.

 

[Timbo]

How silly. If you backed India you would be supporting and Indian cricket team. If you back Farage you are supporting a racist.

Reading through the last few pages, the way you argue is exactly the reason remainers have got themselves in such a mess. It should have been so simple, present a reasoned argument in a calm manner rather than belittling people who maybe haven’t done much research.

Instead labelling everyone who doesn’t agree with you as thick or racist has driven a massive wedge through the middle of the country.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

A quite convincing majority supported the new Brexit Party which it should be remembered was only launched SIX weeks ago.

Should it come to an election and they ran fundamentally on the one issue which divides the nation then you would find you would have a PM called Nigel Farage as all the Remain votes would be divided into all the other remain parties such as Lib Dem, Green, whereas the Leave voters would be drawn to only one Party, BREXIT.

Tread carefully UK politicians

I haven't seen the constituency by constituency breakdown on a first past the post basis, and weighted for General Election turnout and voting intention and possible Green / LD pacts etc. but hope Prof Curtis is working on it !

I suspect another hung Parliament, and at that point it is just major guesswork.

 

[cunning fergus]

I think clamp that I will concede a certain point. The mass of European peoples have to be co-operative. That however should not take central, ultimate defense or economic powers away from the nation state.[/QUOTE

I think we’ll see the end of nation states soon enough. Britain exists in name only and you could argue similarly for each divided kingdom. Much that once glued us together in a common way has largely dissolved including the church, monarchy, class, political parties and even language; instead it’s replaced by a new era of multiculturism that’s still taking shape. Exciting yet terrifying IMO.

You may well be right........but is that by design or accident?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18519395

God save our Goldman Sachs, long live our Goldman Sachs, God save the rich........etc.

 

[Gwylan]

To be fair, there has been an upsurge in voting for the far right across not only europe but the world over. In general election terms, we still fair very well comparitively in terms of the % of far right votes compared to many other countries, including in western Europe.

That doesn't really tell the full story. Yes, there has been a rise in far-right nationalist votes but there's been an even bigger rise in Green votes. So, it's certainly not true to say that parliament as a whole has moved right.

What makes matters more confusing is there are many varieties among far right parties. Some, are ultra economically liberal, slashing public spending; some, like the RN in France, favour higher state spending and public investment.

There are other differences too: Salvini in Italy and Le Pen have been cosying up to Putin, a relationship that's viewed with horror by many of the far right parties in the former Eastern bloc.

So, while there is a growing far right bloc in parliament, they're not going to be voting as a coherent whole - it's more like the Popular Front for Judea voting against the Judean Popular Front.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Are you watching these results or just trying to **** into remain tissues?

 

[Trufflehound]

You mean apart from the Telegraph ?

"No - the rest of the EU will be voting over the next few days. It is a criminal offence for any country in the EU to publish exit polls, or any information about how people have voted during the election, before 22:00 BST on Sunday 26 May. "

Or indeed the Express.

I guess that says more about standards of journalism in the UK these days than anything else.



And... suggesting the Express is an oracle of truth? Seriously?

 

[Trufflehound]

That doesn't really tell the full story. Yes, there has been a rise in far-right nationalist votes but there's been an even bigger rise in Green votes. So, it's certainly not true to say that parliament as a whole has moved right.

Indeed. This graphic tends to imply that the two biggest winners are the Greens and the Liberals: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48417191

 

[nicko31]

I must admit the Tories have done a fantastic job of dividing our United KIngdom.

So much damage in just a few short years...

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I must admit the Tories have done a fantastic job of dividing our United KIngdom.

Formerly United Kingdom - The FUK.

 

[Hampster Gull]

It’s my opinion that Farage is deeply racist. As a youth he presented as an outspoken racist. However, he also craves power. He’s not stupid and realised that being an obvious racist would not win mainstream votes and distanced himself from his past and any outspoken racists.
He reinvented himself as a man of the people, the bloke down the pub. Brexit is the perfect vehicle for this covert racist to ride into power on. The acceptable face of racism that racists can vote for and still claim to not be racist. He’s very clever and positioned himself perfectly.
As I have stated before. Once covert racists get people to vote for them it’s not long before they are accepting overt racism. History bears this out.
He’s a dangerous racist who cares not a jot for the people of the U.K.

He is our far right wrapped up as you say as the bloke down the pub. Just a regular investment banker.

 

[portslade seagull]

People need time off NSC for this, sick and tired of people being called racists. MODS please do something about this.

Mods won't do anything about it seeing the are all for remain so happy for the insults to pass

 

[WATFORD zero]

Mods won't do anything about it seeing the are all for remain so happy for the insults to pass

So the whole of NSC is now a remain conspiracy

Cheer up, Nige has got 5 more seats than last time, so everything will definitely change, he won't be beaten by a man in a dolphin suit again. (Even though the majority of voters voted remain)